Potential Padilla Jurors Unsure of Who to Blame for 9/11 Attacks
May 4th, 2007Even the troglodytes sense a disturbance in the force farce on this one. If they even know the official story—many of them freely admit that they’re clueless—they don’t seem to buy it.
I wonder how many of them have heard the one about Satam al-Suqami’s magic passport! HAHA
On a different point, I’m slightly jealous of the total state of oblivion in which some of these people are living. Is life better/easier for people who make a point of being totally clueless about politics and world events? I know that people like this have a vague sense that, “something isn’t quite right,” but they just play video games, or buy a new purse, or watch TV, or get stoned, etc. But people like you and me… We’ve got thousands of citations ready, on a full spectrum of doom related issues. We’ve got blogs, manifestos, documentaries, tomes of every description…
Now, which group is better off?
I don’t know about you, but I can admit that to have looked at this crap for nearly twenty years somehow doesn’t seem like the most cunning use of time.
Via: International Herald Tribune:
A significant number of potential jurors in the terrorism case against alleged al-Qaida operative Jose Padilla say they are not sure who is responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, many because they do not trust the news media or U.S. government pronouncements.
“There are too many ifs, too many things going on,” one male juror said. “I don’t know the whole story.”
Others say they just do not pay close enough attention to world events to be certain.
“I’m oblivious to that stuff,” one prospective female juror said during questioning this week. “I don’t watch the news much. I try to avoid it.”
As of Thursday, more than 160 people had been questioned individually since jury selection began April 16 for the trial of Padilla and two co-defendants on charges of being part of a North American support cell for Islamic extremists. A jury is expected to be seated next week, with testimony to begin May 14.
Padilla, a U.S. citizen held for 3 1/2 years as an enemy combatant, was previously accused of an al-Qaida plot to detonate a radioactive “dirty bomb” in a U.S. city, but that allegation is not part of the Miami case. Padilla is accused of filling out an application to attend an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan.
Before they came to court, each of the jurors filled out a 115-question form asking about a wide range of legal, political and religious topics, particularly their views of Arabs, Muslims and Islamic radicals. Question No. 60 asks for an opinion about responsibility for the Sept. 11 terror attacks, and many people said they do not know.
“I don’t know about you, but I can admit that, in hindsight, looking at this crap for nearly twenty years somehow doesn’t seem like the most cunning use of time.”
Truuuue.
“play video games, or buy a new purse, or watch TV, or get stoned”
There are some people who neither follow world news/politics NOR waste their time in the ways you describe. What about those in religious houses (nuns, monks, etc.)? They are spending their time working and praying.
When you give that alternative, it makes BOTH the worry-warts and the superficial ditzes look foolish.
Matthew
(A worry wart)
@ Matthew
>>>When you give that alternative, it makes BOTH the worry-warts and the superficial ditzes look foolish.
Religious devotion, indiscernible from mental illness in many cases, and the cause of most of the problems on this planet, is less foolish?
I’ll try to remember that the next time the god botherers trespass on my property. Tell me another one and thanks for making me laugh!
Actually, the passport was Ziad Jarrah’s, not Mohammed Atta’s. However, it’s been repeated often enough to have been accepted as common truth, which is unfortunate, because whenever an inaccuracy is spread it taints all questioning of the 9/11 official story. See this link for more authoritative citation:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a1006papersurvives#a1006papersurvives
By the way, http://www.cooperativeresearch.org is THE source for information on 9/11. Maintainer Paul Thompson moved to New Zealand, I believe, because the more he examined the event and its implications the more his conclusions came to resemble yours, Kevin.
I’ve said the same thing to my wife numerous times. I wish I could turn to blind hedonism from time to time. And on occasion, I do. One has to enjoy life to make it worth fighting for.
“We’ve got thousands of citations ready, on a full spectrum of doom related issues. We’ve got blogs, manifestos, documentaries, tomes of every description…”
That would be me too. Your classic, everyday doomer.
But give me a choice of staring into the abyss or being mentally asleep down at the mall…..the abyss it is.
Many people have articulated more eloquently than I, but I really do not fear the hardships that are coming – I fear the reaction to them by the rest of the population…….
Kevin, I respectfully disagree with your last comment up to a point. I wax and wane in paranoia, but basically I share with you the view that our world is far more controlled and manipulated than is commonly recognized, and that a handful of probably competing but powerful interests are calling all the shots.
However, the ultimate problem is spiritual: given that our awareness and acknowledgment of “intelligences” that are larger than our individual human selves has been severely and intentionally restricted, our collective focus has become concentrated on a gross form of materialism that only serves systems of domination. If we ever wish to escape collectively, we need to move beyond the will to dominate. And there is no individual escape: we are all saved or all damned.
To the extent that religiosity is borne of hysteria and in service to power, I agree with you. But not all spirituality is so.
@ Kurt L,
That’s a different magic passport. That’s flight 93.
The magic passport I was referring to actually belonged to Satam al-Suqami. (Fixed post)
@ slomo
Religion and spirituality: sadly, apples and oranges because of the pervasive influence of maniac fascists in the religions. But this is the same with all large organizations!
All religious people aren’t evil, just like all people in the military aren’t evil, just like all people working for corporations aren’t evil.
The some of the parts, though, is a ghastly thing.
The worry-warts need the ignorant to subsidize their worrying. The ignorant need the worry-warts so they can enjoy the luxury of being ignorant.
The solution, of course, is to donate to Cryptogon and let KEVIN do your worrying for you. Vicarious tweaking out.
@ pookie,
Brace for impact:
https://cryptogon.com/?p=687
Oops! You’re right – too much of a rush to get that comment in. Here’s the corrected citation:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a091201passportfound#a091201passportfound
The link also pinpoints the UK newspaper The Guardian as the initial source of the Mohammed Atta passport error.
I have lived both ways. From 1972-1984 I was a uber informed dissident. I knew all about how Nixon was paid (as a lawyer) by David Rockefeller 1962-1968 and that Carter came out of David Rockefeller’s Trilateral Commission. I knew all about the geological limits of fossil fuel resources, and environmental degradation. During that period I had some good times ‘fighting the good fight’ so it wasn’t a total waste. But all in all, it was mainly a period of one defeat after another. My friends were brilliant but poor, the opposition had all the money and power.
After the Reagan re-election landslide in 1984, something snapped. I was tired of knowing, tired of caring, tired of losing. So I compartmentalized my past and using heaps of doublethink, did the best I could at pretending to be a normal yuppie. It really didn’t work that well for me until the Clinton years as GHWB was such an obvious monster. Finally in the 1990s it was just barely possible to close the eyes and ears enough to live like a normal person. I accepted the mainstream media reports on Waco, WTC 1993, and Oklahoma City. Frankly, I DIDN”T WANT TO KNOW the truth. From 1995-2000 I had some personal challenges, but no worries beyond my family and finances. I would dearly love to take the blue pill and go back to that faux innocent mental state.
When 9/11 happened, the official account didn’t make any sense at all, so I closed my eyes, turned off the brain and looked away. It feels better to remain asleep than to waken into a nightmare reality. The 2004 election surge of Christian fundamentalist power finally awakened my survival instincts. The mental wall broke down and I remembered everything I had always known. So now I am a worry-wart again.
I look forward to getting well enough settled someday that I can go back to sleep.
Occasionally I’ll slip into a burnout-induced semi-ignorant state and completely immerse myself in some of my previous hobbies, in an effort to balance things out. The only thing I’ve found is that when I open my eyes/ears/mind once again to what’s under the veil, everything seems twice as bad! However, each time after I repeat this cycle the vigilant/ learned/ prepare,prepare,prepare side of me and the relaxed/ worry-about-nothing/ what-can-we-do-anyway side seem to reach a better balance…
I am fully aware of all that is bad in the world and I would not have any other way. Suck it up and deal with it. Stay strong, always fight and never give up. This weak talk makes me sick.