Doctors Establish Framework for Determining Which Useless Eaters Will be Left to Die in the Aftermath of the Next False Flag Atrocity
May 5th, 2008Ok, so I added a little editorial color to the title.
Via: AP / Newsweek:
Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won’t get it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will be deciding who to let die.
Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific list of recommendations for which patients wouldn’t be treated. They include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely burned patients and those with severe dementia.
The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of Health and Human Services.
The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals “so that everybody will be thinking in the same way” when pandemic flu or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego and lead writer of the task force report.
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I am appalled and horrified by this Darwin way of choosing who lives and dies. I have elderly relatives and I don’t think their life is worth less than anyone else’s just because of their age. Just because someone is old doesn’t mean that they have nothing left to contribute to society. Many elderly people I see still contribute to society and are more productive than some lazy 20-year-old punks I see walking about with their pants half way down their ass.
@Sapphire,
Hah. Yeah well join the ranks of my army of one.Like in January when the paramedics (called by ambulance, no sirens please, we know 91 year old mom is sick and just want transport to the hospital) said sheesh how old is this lady? Do you think (implied) we ought to just not take her to the hospital? Implied, uh let her die.
I’ve been on the receiving end of the triage mentality against old folk now on seven or more years. Point is, don’t let your old ones get to the point, if you can help it all, where they need medical assistance from an sanctimonious medical system that is in crisis itself, and has been for many years.
Keep your elders healthy. Put them out in the sunlight like a plant for twenty minutes a day. Keep they light in their eyes shining through good nutrition, stretching and exercise.
I could go on and on. My Mom is 91, an invalid for many years now. She has a spirit that shines through her facial expression, and her voice, even if the sounds don’t come out in words. Much like a baby.
My point is, if you truly care for your elders, you should not let their lives get to the point where they are a subject to the demands of a triage unit.
I will not take Mom to a hospital in a disaster scenario because I know she would get the worst care of any and all. I would keep Mom to myself and take my chances with her care.
And if YOU have to go to the hospital in a disaster scenario, I would suggest dressing in business attire so you look like you aren’t in need of financial assistance.
I know that sounds really weird.
But I’ve hung out in hospitals long enough over the last 9 years to know that people who come to the hospital in their pajamas and are really sick are treated worse than the prim and proper suit who comes in with a migraine headache. There is no heart remaining in the brains that reside in the skulls in the U.S. medical system. I have one or two VERY RARE individuals that care about the elderly, but they are specialists, and will not be “on the floor” in a triage situation.
Emergency rooms are now more likely than not, separated from the medical portion of the hospital. The costs of ER are under contract. Much like Blackwater in Iraq.
ER is a profit or loss situation for a hospital.
You are taking chances going with an elderly one there. Preventative care is all I can strongly recommend.
I’m glad you take care of your mom, Eileen. Because the norm these days is to toss the old folks in the nursing home (look at how the greedy insurance industry is pushing long-term care insurance for everybody these days…the assumption being everybody needs to be shipped off to the nursing home eventually). But people are going to have to learn to put up with elderly parents because, at the rate nursing home care is going up in cost, its going to be a luxury affordable only to the wealthy in a few years anyway.
I agree about the nursing homes…one, I’ve worked in one; two, my grandparents were put in one, then went to a retirement home (for German-Americans) where they could come and go as they pleased, but had a nursing wing as well; three, if you absolutely must put your parent in a nursing home, do not put him or her in one in the South! From the nursing chain to the “family run” home they are all bad…the homes up in the upper midwest might be better. Fourth, instead of a home, hire a nurses aide that you know personnally. We ourselves have my husband’s mother who is elderly and not in good health…we go there when necessary and I clean there once a week. Folks, I don’t know any “old” people who are not cantankerous and/or on some med that makes them that way, so get used to it…or would you rather feel guilty the rest of your life for surrendering your parent to ‘the system’?
@sapphire
I think the general rationale would be the young punks still have 60 years of life left to live. That’s a lot of “contribution to society.”
I think this is a pretty good framework for triage care, actually. In a situation where care has to be rationed, you have to have some way of making the determination -just like on a battlefield. Age is probably the best criteria in a panic situation. Not that I like it, but ERs have to make such decisions all the time. You go to an ER and the first thing you’re going to do is be triaged. Critical cases are supposed to be treated first, followed by everything else. In the event that there are many critical cases, they are supposed to take the most likely to be saved and the youngest up to the number of cases or their available resources. Everyone else has to wait their turn. (In reality they often treat the person(s) with the best insurance, but that’s another story.)
When it comes down to it and someone has to die, its better for it to be the 90 year old than a kid or a younger adult with kids to feed. And I say that knowing full well my 90 year old grandmother would be left out of care in such a situation.
Do I like it? No, but when hard decisions have to be made -whether caused by a car accident, a natural disaster, or anything else -there has to be a reasonable way to make the decision. Most health care providers don’t want to let anyone die, but there are times when they have no choice. Many of them spend years in therapy trying to get over the guilt.
@Eileen
Thanks for the advice. I will keep it in mind 🙂
@Anne,
I do agree with much of what you wrote in your post. Yup, at the funeral of an elderly person everyone is happy “because they lived a full life.” I think I am in an unusual situation where I care for an elderly Mom who has a will to live unlike any I’ve ever experienced. I sometimes think that I’ve given up exploring different ways of being (might have left the U.S. a while ago) in order to care for my Mom. But what to do? I have become very philosophical about life and what it is as well as becoming more practical about the art of living. For example, if I live in a house, can I get out of it if I’m in a wheel chair? There are numerous issues to consider as one ages, and I never, ever at any time thought I’d be thinking like this. In any case, as in the Siddha way of thought, we are all on the wheel of life. And I do think our souls have been here and done this and that for many incarnations. Someday, we’ll be good enough and smart enough to learn from our mistakes and won’t keep spinning on the wheel and go where? I dunno. One thing is certain, caring for an elder one puts you in touch with thoughts of your own mortality more than you might like to.
Some have said I’ve kept my mother alive, but I have to disagree. Somewhere at sometime Mom and I agreed this would be what this turn would be on the wheel of life. I am keeping my part.