Zeitgeist
July 30th, 2007Zeitgeist is an extremely impressive film that delivers a vast amount of fascinating information in a coherent way. It’s definitely worth setting aside a couple of hours of interruption free time to watch this. If you know any people who don’t quite “get it” yet, this will rattle their cages.
Who produced this??? They’ve made a point of not saying.
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reminds me a lot of the qatsi trilogy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatsi_trilogy
edit: the beginning reminds me a lot of the qatsi trilogy
Great movie. I blogged about it just last week… http://ryderpictures.blogspot.com
Kevin, I’m not sure why you hate Christianity so much. Maybe you’ve encountered a lot of hypocrites. Nevertheless, it’s for the unbelieving that God foretold how it would all go down…that maybe some would hear and believe.
You see all this coming on the earth yet you refuse to believe in the God who foretold it. Tell me, what are the chances that a little people, “fewest in number”, would survive over the ages, be dispersed for 2000 years, and then be reunited back onto their original homeland in 1948. And then that homeland would be turned from a desert back into a land that flourished over the next 60 years.
All of that was foretold. The Jews weren’t special in and of themselves. They were special b/c God chose them to be the focus of His story. And now here we are. At the end of the ages, all the world is focused on that little piece of land.
There are different interpretations, but the majority agree on the main points. There will be a final 7 year period, at the end of which will be Armageddon. We’re close. You can see it coming.
But there’s hope for those who believe…who have been reconciled back to Him through His Son.
Good show… does a great job of connecting the dots. Thanks for posting this.
The truth needs to be put out there. This is the real Great Game.
If enough people figure out what’s what, the whole thing will come crashing down like a house of cards.
Good film.
DS:
What part of “thou shalt not kill” do you not understand?…
I am an orthodox christian and I’m horrified by what Israel has perpetrated in the last 60 years of its existence. Nothing gives them the right to do what they have done to the Palestinians.
That the leaders of evangelicals and other fringe groups should use the bible and ‘end-times’ nonsense to justify their support of Israel and US middle east policies is reprehensible. And by supporting them people like you give Christianity a bad name. What is it about Zietgeist that made you feel so threatened? Is your faith in the divine so shallow, so tenuous that any questioning of what you’ve been taught to believe, is intolerable? Truth needs no laws to support it. Truth does not shy away from close examination. Dogmatic belief systems on the other hand require the coercive power of political and religious institutions to prop them up.
The person who produced this is http://www.911blogger.com member zeitgeistnyc – I know this isn’t very helpful. But you can search the forum for the producer’s posts about the video.
I thought I knew a lot of this stuff, and I still felt I had awakened from a coma after seeing the production. Excellent.
I really enjoyed this but they failed to mention one crucial thing:
What to DO if you want out of this nightmare we find ourselves in!
@ DS
I don’t think Zeitgeist was about hating “Christianity” or “Christians,” but about debunking certain claims made by it; namely of its originality, historicity, and its manipulation as a tool of social control and class warfare.
In any case, trying to prove “Divine” truths with factual and historical claims is a waste of time.
SW: “What to DO if you want out of this nightmare?”
That is tricky. For starters, find a personal (non-institutional) connection with the Divine. It may be that the only real solutions are spiritual.
Next, and I’m not sure how well this can work, Non-violent protest and Non-cooperation with evil (on a large scale).
It has been argued that we are going through these times for karmic reasons (personal & collective responsibility). This long war we appear to be going through collectively – and the next battles appear to be tough ones – are perhaps the inner spiritual battles each soul has to go through. There may be no way out, but only THROUGH. We are apparently playing it out on this particular plane of existence.
You may or may not realize that THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY REAL. However, the idea that it’s not real does not absolve each individual from their responsibility for behaving in accord with universal law, in a given situation, or battle cycle, if you will.
This may sound like nonsense, depending on your metaphysical views, and I’m not sure it’s right either. It’s a working hypothesis at this point.
The voice at the opening of Zeitgeist is Jordan Maxwell. He makes a point that the forces of domination are messing with Divine Justice. Indeed, it seems to me this has been an eternal problem, and it’s not going away too soon. As far back as you look you’ll find it also.
The good news is that evil is blind and actually rather stupid, and it seems that it ultimately never triumphs. But that doesn’t mean we get to be complacent. The place for each of us to start is within our selves. We have to clean up our own lives and personalities first, then start taking responsibility for the world around us, and working on the bigger picture. It would seem to be particularly urgent at this time.
Take a look at a book called The Parable of the Tribes by Andrew Bard Schmookler. It perfectly describes the mess we’re in, perhaps always have been and always will be (at least on this plane).
Also see some of Jordan Maxwell’s vids on Google, YouTube etc…
Michael Tsarion is another person with some possibly useful insights.
Keep questioning, and don’t surrender your soul. Be willing to sacrifice for truth and justice. Think of the guy in Tienanmen Square who stood in front of that tank. It will take that kind of courage. This is not the only lifetime you’ve had or will have, but only one stage in a process of evolution. Finally remember one person can make a huge difference.
Others are discussing this film at
http://singinginthereign.blogspot.com
/2007/07/zeitgeist-movie-is-christianity.html
Tongue in cheek: http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?
id=139307
More on the Caesar theme:
http://draconem.vox.com/library/post/
the-historicity-of-jesus-christ-vs-julius-caesar
.html
I was going to hold my tongue until I’d seen all of the Zeitgeist film…but I didn’t quite succeed:
How many have put the same time and energy into researching the question of Jesus did as they have into discovering whether the events of September 11th were as reported in the mass media? How many will accept what this film claims without question?
edit: remove ‘did’ from last paragraph
…some of the more interesting stuff is in the responses.
Also see http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/main/ – you can download a free movie. Among other things, it also argues that the story of Jesus was appropriated from elsewhere…
This is an incredible movie. I’ve read bits here and there about the Federal Reserve system, but I’ve never fully understood it till now.
I’m not sure the discussion of religion in the movie is completely relevant, though I can’t really argue with the presentation.
The trouble with Christianity is, it contains two distinct traditions under one roof: One is the mythology of the Old Testament tribal god, which seems almost to have been fabricated to create a national identity, to validate territorial claims, and to authorize wars of extermination to make good those claims. The other is the tradition of absolute love for others, which was the message of Christ–a message which was considerably muddied and muddled by everything in the New Testament other than the four Gospels–especially by Paul, an old-maidish, micro-managing old gossip-monger who–having apparently traveled all over everywhere to spread the Word–would have done much better to have stayed where he was and kept his lip buttoned.
Incidentally, I would have to say that it doesn’t matter a whole lot whether there was a historical Jesus. What matters is the message of love.
I do also have to question how Christianity could have happened without a historical Jesus. The film’s maker doesn’t address this question. Did the Essenes just make him up, and somehow convince large numbers of people that there really was such a person?
It doesn’t seem especially significant to me that there is little or no mention of Jesus by the historians of the era, for two reasons. First, historians notoriously concern themselves wholly with political history; they are interested in the rich and the powerful. Second, Jesus would have been pretty much of a nobody, from a historian’s perspective. Two thousand years from now, if about the same volume of historical works survive, as have survived from 2000 years ago, they may have no mention of some religious figures of the present era.
I think it’s very possible that Jesus was a religious teacher who was chiefly of importance to some obscure group such as the Essenes, and that his life history was later dressed up in the trappings of Horus and the rest.
Consider, for example, the “Messiah” of the Ghost Dances of the Plains Indians. I forget his name. A hundred years from now, a religious movement could arise making him out as a universal messiah–even though, or maybe especially because, he is a rather obscure figure, historically.
Also, why the consistency and persistence of the exact same mythology? It seems to me that there is some germ of truth here that speaks to the human spirit: the god “with us” concept, for example. Alan Watts felt that the essential message of Christianity was the sanctification and spiritualization of the material world. He felt that its inwardness was to show us that god resides in our food and drink, in nature, in ourselves.