Cryptogon Reader Account: Ralph Nader and Alex Jones, in Crawford, TX, March 20, 2004

http://www.infowars.com/print/press/crawford.htm

Submitted by: NF

just got back from... whatever that thing was. i will summarize the best i can for a cryptogon.com exclusive.

traveling to crawford was extremely interesting. as i drove through the town, i was thinking, "why use this place as a presidential namesake?" a few things became obvious.

1) the town has so many exits and backroads i'm sure the secret service just plain love it. plus the proximity to waco and i-35

2) crawford is the perfect, "log cabin, small classic american town" type front for the rest of the nation come election time. the classic american farming community interspersed with medical professionals from waco and the oil biz people. no covenants on land use until recently... like houston.

3) it suits the bush/ monarchy/ big oil modus operendi, as petroleum interfaces in a more direct way with all aspects of the crawford/waco economy. shell oil (translate british monarchy oil with a dutchman front) owns the oil services in the area. yep, things are pretty well locked up for lord shrub.

anyway, arrived at the trailer park about 6 pm. alex scheduled to speak @ 7 pm. walked into the venue. sho nuff, there's alex, hashing it out with a UNT green party activist over the importance of defending the bill of rights. i approached and listened as a small crowd of 15 or so people gathered. as a former UNT student, i can testify to the ultra liberal bias of that ilk. yet, both alex and the activist were talking over each other... in the sense of ideology. clearly, this was not a "meeting" of the hard core far left and far right. but, at least both sides heard the arguments of each... not that it mattered too much on that level. yet it did matter to the people whos minds weren't made up. however... by the end of the night, not many of that kind were present.

the reason? most people who showed were nader supporters... and left when nader finished. even the news crews only showed to cover nader... which was lame. however, it did seem like there were more feds attending to the nader supporters than to infowars supporters, as more fellas with clean shaven faces and washington dandy ashcroft clone haircuts were seen leaving when i arrived. (note: i wish it would become an activist tradition, whatever the venue, to play, "spot the fed" at rallies, regardless of the political persuasion. the folks over @ 2600.com could probably help with that). of course, it could just be a numbers game, "x number of suits for y number of hooligans". but, i would like to think that beyond the bs in washington, the field agents know what's what when it comes to group ideology. so take a coffee break on me fellas. we're harmless.

also, i learned from a fellow with a, "tyranny response team" t-shirt that nader and friends had marched on the town earlier in the day. i truly empathize with the locals. i mean, if that thing parked it's texas wanna-be ranch in your town, what would you do? well, shrub uses the town for political show, so his opponents use the town. no man's land. sigh. dubya is creating a whole batch of "enemy combatant-like citizens" just by being there. yet, driving through crawford, i failed to spot one single wal-mart. there is hope.

i'm getting off track. continuing the story...

a few bands played at intermission and after alex spoke. a minnesota band and a few austin bands i think. maybe a dallas band. i'm... not sure what to think of it. the musicians are talented... and if not talented extremely spirited. knowledge and understanding of the NWO on such a complex level could surely be transferred by some greek iliad set to iambic pentameter... yet that wasn't going on here. well... it was and it wasn't. "political underground" beats pretty much stay underground. it's a sub culture, like anything else without the almighty D or R approval.

now, both before, and during alex's talk, i met some great people from the proverbial "left". i intentionally tried to meet open minded left leaning individuals for my own variety. this was quick work, as the people who didn't want to hear alex, just up and went. anyway, i learned some great things from them and them from me.

one lady was an activist from san francisco. twice my age, but looked only about 30. she was into organic gardening and traveling. said she was with the catholic workers union, that does activist work all over. not into the "establishment" at all, and really not into bush. i was surprised how organized and happy she seemed. she really loved her work. during the course of our conversation, i mentioned that the jesuits are primarily a military organization, not religious. after that tidbit, she wanted me to write down every website i could think of. that was great. then, i asked her about her experiences doing real organic hippie farming. she responded, but we got sidetracked with all the other events that i forgot what she said. but she has my contact info and i hope to continue the conversation.

also, there was this dude from lewisville. he was there just soaking in the culture. broadening his horizons... in more ways than one. we got to talking about alex's speech. he thought it was mostly separatism speak. i was interested in his reasoning. he said everything is about the "terra firma" as a means to an end called sovereignty. he expounded, that holding onto the terra firma too tightly causes serious friction within a society and is dignifying. i was interested, and offered my opinion... that perhaps there was a horizontal and vertical component to sovereignty. true, turf wars between nation-states cause problems, yet i felt alex was dealing more with the vertical component of sovereignty... that of the individual vs. the state. he was interested in that logic, but we came back to sovereignty later again. clearly, a deeper ideological problem. yet, we both learned something in the perspective of the issue, at least. i think maybe even more.

between us three, we pretty much settled on the fact that nobody wants bush back in. yet, we couldn't agree on kerry. the choice was between pragmatism... doing the expedient thing, and refusing to vote for the lesser of 2 evils... which is still evil. they were for pragmatism over choice... and i am thinking about their interesting arguments.

i proposed voting for edwin viera, author of "pieces of eight" as president and eustace mullins as vice president... or whoever else might be their own choice (i mean, the show's going down people. have some dignity). but, since they didn't know either of these people, we listened to alex along with the other 100-150 people who were left.

alex... was hamstrung by bad presentation technology. like a lion away from his domain, once alex is out of the studio... he goes a little crazy. more pontification. more yelling. i think the physical constraints of radio, timed presentations and video narration are a positive for alex. not that he can't speak. no no. he reminds me of sam adams. just that he tends to chase more rabbits away from the radio waves. yet, i'm sure with time he'll move on to the lecture circuit. then we can find out if he's a plant when he gets those fat checks from tax exempt foundations (just kidding).

the statement that 6000+ soldiers have died was a major point in his speech for regular infowars.com listeners. shocking, really. but plausible given the asstight security at dover and habeas corpus hot potato being played with soldier's bodies that have not been shipped back home. more likely buried anonymously.

alex used the word bastard, and the bands used the f word... so the locals (again, can't blame em') filed a "women and children" complaint against alex. at least, that's what the cops said. "no cussing", said the police, as they perused their 1828 noah's webster dictionaries. well, alex played ball and complied to make nice with the local cops... who were more annoyed than apprehensive about the whole affair. they wanted back in their souped up crown victorias, with the heated seats, pronto.

did you know that after hitler set fire to the reichstag, they slit the throats of the police that helped them do it? interesting. i'm sure that will be the talk at the local crawford donut shop when the local cops get hungry.

well, overall, the mood was... educational. i don't think much changed as far as people's core opinions. yet everyone learned something new, whether some minor piece of societal or cultural info or real hard data. yet, even the minor info helped dispell major myths, at least for me. the people i spoke with didn't agree with everything alex said... but were glad he was doing something. i like that attitude... and glad i met some people who expressed it.

the left/right paradigm would have us all believing that the other side (like there's any real side. most people are 80% conservative) are crazy and irrational. that we are all out to get each other. not true at all.

in short, if all we do is educate our families and our communities about the instigated terror the state places on us, i do believe whatever is facing us, on whatever level, will have serious problems.