NZ Attorney General on GCSB Intercepts in Urewera 16 Case: “That Evidence Will Never See the Light of Day.”

November 8th, 2007

Not even in 200 years? * uncomfortable chuckle *

Why would the evidence—collected under interception warrants—“never see the light of day?” Well, it turns out that the government isn’t going to go with terrorism charges here after all. But… Revealing the “evidence” would reveal the methods by which it was collected, and, in all likelihood, shine an unwelcome light on the deeply disturbing covert relationship between the New Zealand and U.S. Governments in this area.

Of course, Cullen doesn’t mention ECHELON or the Government Communications Security Bureau.

This will be a bit arcane for most of you in North America and Europe, but Kiwis should do some reading along these lines: gcsb domestic.

Via: Stuff:

Dr Cullen said he had seen the evidence.

“Some of the evidence, which is relevant to what the Solicitor-General was considering, will, of course, come out in consideration of the charges under the Firearms Act,” he said.

“Some of the evidence will not come out under those considerations, that is evidence under interception warrants etc which, of course, is not relevant to the firearms charges.

“That evidence will never see the light of day.

“All I can say is, having read some of that evidence myself, I can also believe that what the Solicitor-General said is absolutely correct – the police had a reasonable basis on which to refer matters to the Solicitor-General.”

Research Credit: Alison

5 Responses to “NZ Attorney General on GCSB Intercepts in Urewera 16 Case: “That Evidence Will Never See the Light of Day.””

  1. anothernut says:

    I know I’m preaching to the choir, here, but the first thing I thought when I saw this was, “New Zealand? The US wants to assimilate New Zealand?! Cute, fluffy little New Zealand?!” Well, of course they do; they want to assimilate everything, and destroy what they cannot assimilate. But the point I’d really like to make (get ready, choir) is that this completely flies in the face of the notion — shared, I believe, by many American worker bees — that the people running the show in the US Government are regular folks, like “us”, who just do what they have to do, then go home and forget about work and watch “Desperate Housewives”. I think this a profound illusion that average Americans suffer from, and I think it is a huge and greatly underestimated asset to TPTB. These people, who run our shadow government, are like the terminator: they won’t stop until they have total control. THEY ARE NOT LIKE US!
    How the fuck can people not get that?

  2. Peregrino says:

    Reading Cryptogon is like being there during the fall of Rome. Or being in on the post-French Revolution intrigue to restore the monarchy. Cryptogon gives me a front porch rocker seat to the implosion of industrialism and its attendant institutions and ideology. Although he’ll never win it, the web master deserves the academy award for most incisive use of the internet. It makes me wonder how long ISPs are going to remain free; which makes me further wonder how underground ISPs are going to establish and protect themselves.

  3. Alek Hidell says:

    The main difference between NZ and the US is that the fascism still wears a friendly face. A record low 3.5% unemployment rate, high milk payouts, and a strong currency have kept the smiley faces on most Kiwis. Happy people can be easily ruled. So it is rare to a get a glimse of the iron fist under the velvet glove of the nanny state. The recent raids caused a bit of unfavourable PR. So now it is time to bury the whole affair. Go back to sleep little Kiwis. Look at the netball players!

    PS: Your loving government is very alarmed that one in a million Kiwis was recently injured by fireworks. You have been very naughty. So Auntie Helen and Uncle John are going to take those nasty fireworks away for your protection.

  4. Eileen says:

    Peregrino –
    Yes Cryptogon is special isn’t it? Dang nab it, I gave my rocker chair away to the wife of a pregant coworker about 10 years ago. Wish I had it now because I am the nervous type.
    I’m the kind of person who needs to walk and chew bubble gum at the same time when things get interesting/tense and my nerves are shot from watching.
    Whether the WebMaster deserves an academy award ? Great crime when you can get away with it- but the gig is up. Who is the Web Master?
    Certainly not the Guy Fawkes sort. These crimes are not misdemeanors.
    Yes, if the only thing people can relate to anymore is their TV – Let’s create a news show along the Roman empire deal, you know, the feeding to the lions; or for the less queasy, hangings from the gallows pole. Scroll the U.S. Constitution in the banner below like Fox News does, but having it contain what law has been broken. Something so visceral that it will entertain the folk who have no clue that WHATEVER they are doing on line, and on the phone is in a BIG BAD DATA BASE.
    Problem for me – What is the Master Plan? why collect all of this data? Surely, the terrorism angle is a freaking hoax. Are there aliens from the Gallactic Core awaiting enty into our universe? Is the Web Master an alien?
    What am I saying – I dunno anymore. I am out of here.

  5. tochigi says:

    Cullen is a scumbag. the mild-mannered former university history lecturer with the sharp wit. power corrupts, and it didn’t take long to corrupt our fake, blairite “labour” party. if anything, they were a the precursor model for b-liar as he saw how a right-wing Trojan horse could penetrate so easily and devastatingly. the NZ 1984-1990 experiment proved that.

    the memories of Norm Kirk and David Lange are once again defiled. from bombing little kids in Afghanistan to terifying little kids in Ruatoki. it’s all the same to them.

    they have to be in the “club”. the superior, English-speaking echelon club. wouldn’t want to offend uncle sam in a tangible way would we? token gestures, fine, actually doing something that matters, like getting rid of Waihopai, well, we couldn’t have that, could we?

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