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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have over looked the fact that there was &quot;33&quot;, victims. 33, as in 33 degree Mason.</description>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 22:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V Tech Panel Whitewash
http://lilarajiva.wordpress.com

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		<title>By: starviego</title>
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		<dc:creator>starviego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 05:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted about the death of another VTech student above(see #72).  Quote:
&quot;Comment: It wouldnâ€™t surpirse me if this kid was an eyewitness who saw stuff he shouldnâ€™t have and was talking about it.&quot;

Well, it turns out that Soriano had just left Norris Hall [b]right before[/b] the shooting started.

local tv station interview:
--Enrique Soriano, victim&#039;s father:  &quot;[b]He almost got killed in that massacre because he just left the building[/b].  He was in Norris Hall before the rampage started.&quot;

http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0704/23/sm.02.html
-- Enrique Soriano:  &quot;He almost got hit in that massacre, because [b]he just left from that building[/b] where the massacre is, so he was so lucky.&quot;


Of course!   Out of about 26,000 students, the one that gets &#039;accidentally&#039; killed may have indeed witnessed something interesting as he left the building, such as people coming or going, or someone chaining the doors.

No word on the other car he was allegedly racing at the time of the crash, or who those &#039;relatives&#039; were who witnessed the crash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted about the death of another VTech student above(see #72).  Quote:<br />
&#8220;Comment: It wouldnâ€™t surpirse me if this kid was an eyewitness who saw stuff he shouldnâ€™t have and was talking about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, it turns out that Soriano had just left Norris Hall [b]right before[/b] the shooting started.</p>
<p>local tv station interview:<br />
&#8211;Enrique Soriano, victim&#8217;s father:  &#8220;[b]He almost got killed in that massacre because he just left the building[/b].  He was in Norris Hall before the rampage started.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0704/23/sm.02.html" rel="nofollow">http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/.....sm.02.html</a><br />
&#8211; Enrique Soriano:  &#8220;He almost got hit in that massacre, because [b]he just left from that building[/b] where the massacre is, so he was so lucky.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course!   Out of about 26,000 students, the one that gets &#8216;accidentally&#8217; killed may have indeed witnessed something interesting as he left the building, such as people coming or going, or someone chaining the doors.</p>
<p>No word on the other car he was allegedly racing at the time of the crash, or who those &#8216;relatives&#8217; were who witnessed the crash.</p>
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		<title>By: emlon</title>
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		<dc:creator>emlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 20:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.newsdaily.com/TopNews/UPI-1-20070506-11514600-bc-us-campusshooting.xml

Report in News Daily that Cho&#039;s Mother had tried to have &quot;religious cure&quot; performed at church.</description>
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<p>Report in News Daily that Cho&#8217;s Mother had tried to have &#8220;religious cure&#8221; performed at church.</p>
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		<title>By: PirateNews.org</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=636&#038;cpage=3#comment-7566</link>
		<dc:creator>PirateNews.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 07:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At Pellissippi State Tech College in Tennessee, a teacher and students were laughing at a student behind his back, for threatening the shoot people at school. They had no intention of reporting this threat, so I did. Then a uniformed cop, from a county outside the schools jurisdiction, wearing a gun, sat beside me in the empty library, and admitted on hidden audiotape that he was not a student. Then an active-duty TN Army National Guard soldier (not ROTC), in uniform, sat beside my in class, before &quot;dropping out&quot;. When I was active duty USAF, we were never allowed to wear uniforms off-base or off-duty. I&#039;ve never seen this before or since in 5 years of college. My online test scores were also tampered with repeatedly. So I may have stumbled across a govt psyop.

News for the memory hole - Will the REAL Cho please stand up:

Gunman kills 32 at Virginia Tech before being killed
Chicago Sun-Times
Sneed hears authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people in a rampage on the Virginia Tech campus was a Chinese national who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa. The 25-year-old man being investigated for the deadliest college carnage in U.S. history reportedly arrived in San Francisco on a United Airlines flight on Aug. 7, 2006, on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators had not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source added.
http://www.total411.info/2007/04/true-va-tech-gunman-6-foot-chicom.html

Professor Texe Marrs PhD, US Air Force Intelligence, reports that Korean Cho was the shooter, but that Cho was the one who was in Communist China. Texe Marrs has authored and sold MILLIONS of books, including college textbooks. 
RADIO BROADCAST TODAY: Without Bang or Whimper 
http://texemarrs.com/make.m3u
http://www.texemarrs.com

Top DARPA contractor to staff V-Tech &#039;review panel&#039; - Kaine appointed retired Superintendent of Virginia State Police Lt. Colonel Gerald Massengill to lead the independent committee review board on Wednesday. Also named to the board was former secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge, as well as several specialists in the fields of higher education, violent behavior and medicine. In addition, Kaine said that TriData Corporation will provide research and staff for the review panel. TriData was founded in 1981 as a wholly-owned subsidiary of System Planning Corporation. The two corporations are collocated in Arlington, Virginia. System Planning Corporation is a Virginia based corporation that conducts research and produces electronics and computer software for the United States Department of Defense and other federal government agencies in the support of National security. SPC is one of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency&#039;s largest support contractors. The company has supported DARPA virtually continuously since the company&#039;s founding. SPC provides systems engineering, technical analysis, and support services to most of DARPA&#039;s Technology Offices.
http://www.total411.info/2007/04/top-darpa-contractor-to-staff-official.html

DARPA.MIL LOGO - Nothing like the US Govt&#039;s official logo of Illuminati&#039;s All Seeing Eye of Lucifer to inspire confidence in DARPA&#039;s honesty and integrity.

Cathy O&#039;Brien wrote extensively on DARPA projects for torture-based mind control, including at CIA&#039;s underground base in Blacksburg Virginia. She and her daughter experienced the torture personally. Her daughter was lobotomized at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. Over 2.5-MILLION US citizens are genocided at death camps in USA EVERY YEAR.
http://www.trance-formation.com

&quot;QKHILLTOP was a cryptonym assigned in 1954 to a project to study Chinese Communist brainwashing techniques and to develop interrogation techniques. Most of the early studies are believed to have been conducted by the Cornell University Medical School Human Ecology Study Programs. The effort was absorbed into the MKULTRA program and the QKHILLTOP cryptonym became obsolete.&quot;
-U.S. Senate Hearing on MKULTRA, Appendix C, QKHILLTOP DEFINITION, 1973
www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/e1950/mkultra/AppendixC.htm

&quot;The concepts involved in manipulating behavior are found by many people both within and outside the Agency to be distasteful and unethical. Nevertheless, there have been major accomplishments both in research and operational employment. Over the ten-year life of the program many additional avenues to the control of human behavior have been designated under the MKULTRA charter, including radiation, electro-shock, and harassment substances. Some activities raise questions of legality implicit in the original charter. A final phase of the testing places the rights and interests of US citizens in jeopardy. Technical Services Division initiated a program for covert testing of materials on unwitting US citizens in 1955. TSD has pursued a philosophy of minimum documentation in keeping with the high sensitivity of the projects. Some files contained little or no data at all. There are just two individuals in TSD who have full knowledge of the MKULTRA program, and most of that knowledge is unrecorded.&quot;
-MEMORANDUM FOR: Director of Central Intelligence
FROM: CIA Inspector General, NB 108-113, 26 July 1963
www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol#_ednref13

&quot;We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electrical stimulation of the brain.&quot; 
-Dr. Jose Delgado, Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School prof and CIA mind control scientist, Congressional Record, No 26, vol 118 February 24th, 1974

Tonight on MSNBC was an excellent example of the 100% incompetence and corruption of police and prosecutors in solving a simple murder. Instead they locked an innocent man in prison for 7 years, and refused to arrest the real killer, who was already in prison and proven guilty by DNA, who already had multiple convictions for raping little girls:

DOWNLOAD FULL VIDEO &amp; TRANSCRIPT OF BROADCAST:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17562131/ 
&#039;Killer Instinct&#039; - A housewife became a pseudo-CSI investigator in a quest to exonerate her wrongfully-imprisoned husband. Could she find the real murderer?
This report aired Dateline Sunday, March 11, 7 p.m. (repeat 5 May 2007)
SUMMIT COUNTY, OHIO - This is the story of how one ordinary woman transformed herself into a would-be C.S.I. investigator and embarked on a dangerous mission which would split her family. It was a mission in which she would take on police, prosecutors, and the state of Ohio in her relentless quest for justice. In 1999, Clarence Elkins was convicted for the rape and murder of Elkinsâ€™ 58-year-old mother-in-law and the rape of his 6-year-old niece. He always maintained his innocence.

I gurantee you that many of the V Tech victims and families are starting to ask these same questions, and they are the ones doing much of this research, just like the 9/11 families. 

SIGN THE 9/11 WIDOWS PETITION:
http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id401.html 
Still pushing... The Jersey Girls are still 3,000 signatures shy of bringing their petition to Congress. Our site has almost 9,000,000 hits. There&#039;s gotta be 3,000 of you that haven&#039;t signed it. What&#039;re you waiting for?
http://loosechange911.blogspot.com

Read Pentagon&#039;s declassified Operation Northwoods, to see Uncle Scams&#039; signed confession to using snipers and shooters to terrorize USA, and blame innocent patsies. And CIA planned to bomb US cities, hire enemy soldiers to attack US military bases, and explode robot airliners by remote control, with fake funerals for CIA passengers who did not die.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&amp;page=1
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

Pentagon and NATO&#039;s Operation Gladio bombed many West European cities after World War 2, up to the modern day, killing 100s of innocent civilians, to blame innocent &quot;enemies&quot;.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio

School board politician bombs US school - 45 dead at Bath School Massacre - Entire school was prewired with bombs. Virginia Tech Massacre is kindergarten compared to what an elected member of a government school board did to little children in Michigan USA, using a controlled demolition of 1-ton of pre-installed explosives, plus a suicide car bomb.
http://blog.myspace.com/piratenewsctv

On the morning of May 18, Kehoe first killed his wife and then set his farm buildings on fire. As fire fighters arrived at the farm, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many of the people inside. Kehoe used a detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of pyrotol which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers started gathering at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle, killing himself and the school superintendent, and killing and injuring several others. During the rescue efforts, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the school&#039;s south wing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

When psychopathic gangsters are running local, state and fed govts, all crimes point back to those criminals, since they literally license all crimes. Only when a criminal fails to purchase a license to rob, rape, steal and kill, does gangsta govt make an arrest, like Al Capone whacking a local scumbag who failed to pay his cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Pellissippi State Tech College in Tennessee, a teacher and students were laughing at a student behind his back, for threatening the shoot people at school. They had no intention of reporting this threat, so I did. Then a uniformed cop, from a county outside the schools jurisdiction, wearing a gun, sat beside me in the empty library, and admitted on hidden audiotape that he was not a student. Then an active-duty TN Army National Guard soldier (not ROTC), in uniform, sat beside my in class, before &#8220;dropping out&#8221;. When I was active duty USAF, we were never allowed to wear uniforms off-base or off-duty. I&#8217;ve never seen this before or since in 5 years of college. My online test scores were also tampered with repeatedly. So I may have stumbled across a govt psyop.</p>
<p>News for the memory hole &#8211; Will the REAL Cho please stand up:</p>
<p>Gunman kills 32 at Virginia Tech before being killed<br />
Chicago Sun-Times<br />
Sneed hears authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people in a rampage on the Virginia Tech campus was a Chinese national who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa. The 25-year-old man being investigated for the deadliest college carnage in U.S. history reportedly arrived in San Francisco on a United Airlines flight on Aug. 7, 2006, on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators had not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source added.<br />
<a href="http://www.total411.info/2007/04/true-va-tech-gunman-6-foot-chicom.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.total411.info/2007/.....hicom.html</a></p>
<p>Professor Texe Marrs PhD, US Air Force Intelligence, reports that Korean Cho was the shooter, but that Cho was the one who was in Communist China. Texe Marrs has authored and sold MILLIONS of books, including college textbooks.<br />
RADIO BROADCAST TODAY: Without Bang or Whimper<br />
<a href="http://texemarrs.com/make.m3u" rel="nofollow">http://texemarrs.com/make.m3u</a><br />
<a href="http://www.texemarrs.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.texemarrs.com</a></p>
<p>Top DARPA contractor to staff V-Tech &#8216;review panel&#8217; &#8211; Kaine appointed retired Superintendent of Virginia State Police Lt. Colonel Gerald Massengill to lead the independent committee review board on Wednesday. Also named to the board was former secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge, as well as several specialists in the fields of higher education, violent behavior and medicine. In addition, Kaine said that TriData Corporation will provide research and staff for the review panel. TriData was founded in 1981 as a wholly-owned subsidiary of System Planning Corporation. The two corporations are collocated in Arlington, Virginia. System Planning Corporation is a Virginia based corporation that conducts research and produces electronics and computer software for the United States Department of Defense and other federal government agencies in the support of National security. SPC is one of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency&#8217;s largest support contractors. The company has supported DARPA virtually continuously since the company&#8217;s founding. SPC provides systems engineering, technical analysis, and support services to most of DARPA&#8217;s Technology Offices.<br />
<a href="http://www.total411.info/2007/04/top-darpa-contractor-to-staff-official.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.total411.info/2007/.....icial.html</a></p>
<p>DARPA.MIL LOGO &#8211; Nothing like the US Govt&#8217;s official logo of Illuminati&#8217;s All Seeing Eye of Lucifer to inspire confidence in DARPA&#8217;s honesty and integrity.</p>
<p>Cathy O&#8217;Brien wrote extensively on DARPA projects for torture-based mind control, including at CIA&#8217;s underground base in Blacksburg Virginia. She and her daughter experienced the torture personally. Her daughter was lobotomized at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. Over 2.5-MILLION US citizens are genocided at death camps in USA EVERY YEAR.<br />
<a href="http://www.trance-formation.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.trance-formation.com</a></p>
<p>&#8220;QKHILLTOP was a cryptonym assigned in 1954 to a project to study Chinese Communist brainwashing techniques and to develop interrogation techniques. Most of the early studies are believed to have been conducted by the Cornell University Medical School Human Ecology Study Programs. The effort was absorbed into the MKULTRA program and the QKHILLTOP cryptonym became obsolete.&#8221;<br />
-U.S. Senate Hearing on MKULTRA, Appendix C, QKHILLTOP DEFINITION, 1973<br />
<a href="http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/e1950/mkultra/AppendixC.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.druglibrary.org/sch.....endixC.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The concepts involved in manipulating behavior are found by many people both within and outside the Agency to be distasteful and unethical. Nevertheless, there have been major accomplishments both in research and operational employment. Over the ten-year life of the program many additional avenues to the control of human behavior have been designated under the MKULTRA charter, including radiation, electro-shock, and harassment substances. Some activities raise questions of legality implicit in the original charter. A final phase of the testing places the rights and interests of US citizens in jeopardy. Technical Services Division initiated a program for covert testing of materials on unwitting US citizens in 1955. TSD has pursued a philosophy of minimum documentation in keeping with the high sensitivity of the projects. Some files contained little or no data at all. There are just two individuals in TSD who have full knowledge of the MKULTRA program, and most of that knowledge is unrecorded.&#8221;<br />
-MEMORANDUM FOR: Director of Central Intelligence<br />
FROM: CIA Inspector General, NB 108-113, 26 July 1963<br />
<a href="http://www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol#_ednref13" rel="nofollow">http://www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol#_ednref13</a></p>
<p>&#8220;We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electrical stimulation of the brain.&#8221;<br />
-Dr. Jose Delgado, Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School prof and CIA mind control scientist, Congressional Record, No 26, vol 118 February 24th, 1974</p>
<p>Tonight on MSNBC was an excellent example of the 100% incompetence and corruption of police and prosecutors in solving a simple murder. Instead they locked an innocent man in prison for 7 years, and refused to arrest the real killer, who was already in prison and proven guilty by DNA, who already had multiple convictions for raping little girls:</p>
<p>DOWNLOAD FULL VIDEO &amp; TRANSCRIPT OF BROADCAST:<br />
<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17562131/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17562131/</a><br />
&#8216;Killer Instinct&#8217; &#8211; A housewife became a pseudo-CSI investigator in a quest to exonerate her wrongfully-imprisoned husband. Could she find the real murderer?<br />
This report aired Dateline Sunday, March 11, 7 p.m. (repeat 5 May 2007)<br />
SUMMIT COUNTY, OHIO &#8211; This is the story of how one ordinary woman transformed herself into a would-be C.S.I. investigator and embarked on a dangerous mission which would split her family. It was a mission in which she would take on police, prosecutors, and the state of Ohio in her relentless quest for justice. In 1999, Clarence Elkins was convicted for the rape and murder of Elkinsâ€™ 58-year-old mother-in-law and the rape of his 6-year-old niece. He always maintained his innocence.</p>
<p>I gurantee you that many of the V Tech victims and families are starting to ask these same questions, and they are the ones doing much of this research, just like the 9/11 families. </p>
<p>SIGN THE 9/11 WIDOWS PETITION:<br />
<a href="http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id401.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id401.html</a><br />
Still pushing&#8230; The Jersey Girls are still 3,000 signatures shy of bringing their petition to Congress. Our site has almost 9,000,000 hits. There&#8217;s gotta be 3,000 of you that haven&#8217;t signed it. What&#8217;re you waiting for?<br />
<a href="http://loosechange911.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://loosechange911.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>Read Pentagon&#8217;s declassified Operation Northwoods, to see Uncle Scams&#8217; signed confession to using snipers and shooters to terrorize USA, and blame innocent patsies. And CIA planned to bomb US cities, hire enemy soldiers to attack US military bases, and explode robot airliners by remote control, with fake funerals for CIA passengers who did not die.<br />
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&amp;page=1</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/n.....0/doc1.pdf</a></p>
<p>Pentagon and NATO&#8217;s Operation Gladio bombed many West European cities after World War 2, up to the modern day, killing 100s of innocent civilians, to blame innocent &#8220;enemies&#8221;.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio</a></p>
<p>School board politician bombs US school &#8211; 45 dead at Bath School Massacre &#8211; Entire school was prewired with bombs. Virginia Tech Massacre is kindergarten compared to what an elected member of a government school board did to little children in Michigan USA, using a controlled demolition of 1-ton of pre-installed explosives, plus a suicide car bomb.<br />
<a href="http://blog.myspace.com/piratenewsctv" rel="nofollow">http://blog.myspace.com/piratenewsctv</a></p>
<p>On the morning of May 18, Kehoe first killed his wife and then set his farm buildings on fire. As fire fighters arrived at the farm, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many of the people inside. Kehoe used a detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of pyrotol which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers started gathering at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle, killing himself and the school superintendent, and killing and injuring several others. During the rescue efforts, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the school&#8217;s south wing.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster</a></p>
<p>When psychopathic gangsters are running local, state and fed govts, all crimes point back to those criminals, since they literally license all crimes. Only when a criminal fails to purchase a license to rob, rape, steal and kill, does gangsta govt make an arrest, like Al Capone whacking a local scumbag who failed to pay his cut.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=636&#038;cpage=3#comment-7563</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 04:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Exod-us: Yeah I&#039;d like to see the full unedited manifesto. And all the text parts of it too. To see if anything more can be gleaned from it.  

Still I know something caused this and I have some serious reservations about it being because rich kids were picking on him. Or anything else the mainstream media has tried to blame it on. 
Most of it has been proved wrong anyway.

The breach in security protocol also has me wondering.(I&#039;ve seen that before somewhere)
 
Still even if his handler came forward and confessed.  Nothing would be done! (Seen that before too.)

Besides beyond circumstancial,conjucture,
observations and motive we really have no hard evidence. (Yet) 

Still I would be very surprised to find any conclusive evidence suggesting he wasn&#039;t a mind controlled human bomb. I&#039;ll keep poking around from time to time maybe post up an observation. 

I have a bigger easy to prove conspiracy to try to make poeple aware of if possible.  And everyday something isn&#039;t done about it a certain agenda moves forward. Regardless of weither or not Cho was programmed.  His actions helped them with this more than he could have ever guessed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Exod-us: Yeah I&#8217;d like to see the full unedited manifesto. And all the text parts of it too. To see if anything more can be gleaned from it.  </p>
<p>Still I know something caused this and I have some serious reservations about it being because rich kids were picking on him. Or anything else the mainstream media has tried to blame it on.<br />
Most of it has been proved wrong anyway.</p>
<p>The breach in security protocol also has me wondering.(I&#8217;ve seen that before somewhere)</p>
<p>Still even if his handler came forward and confessed.  Nothing would be done! (Seen that before too.)</p>
<p>Besides beyond circumstancial,conjucture,<br />
observations and motive we really have no hard evidence. (Yet) </p>
<p>Still I would be very surprised to find any conclusive evidence suggesting he wasn&#8217;t a mind controlled human bomb. I&#8217;ll keep poking around from time to time maybe post up an observation. </p>
<p>I have a bigger easy to prove conspiracy to try to make poeple aware of if possible.  And everyday something isn&#8217;t done about it a certain agenda moves forward. Regardless of weither or not Cho was programmed.  His actions helped them with this more than he could have ever guessed.</p>
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		<title>By: exod-us</title>
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		<dc:creator>exod-us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 16:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay, I really want to read Cho&#039;s full manifesto. They say that it contains so many weird words, but I believe that it would shed light on the shadow of the event.</description>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=636&#038;cpage=3#comment-7536</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 19:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all my condolences to the families of the
victims.

Alot of good work has gone into this thread. 

Poeple please note a socalled independant investigation has been formed. Lets see what they leave out. Or fail to investigate. This is where most coverups are unmasked.

A coupla&#039; observations.  Since I quit watchin&#039; television dec 01.(It lies) I haven&#039;t seen the full manifesto. But what I have seen is interesting in that: 

The Cho in the vids sounds like he&#039;s reading a script. In some places he sounds like he doesn&#039;t believe what he&#039;s saying,or want to say it. Forced? Interesting bit there fer&#039; sure.
 
Also the brickwork and paint behind cho is of a govt specification.That I&#039;ve only ever seen before in jails. I&#039;d like to know where this was filmed. Was it in his dorm?(Note the thin layer of mortar,the quality of the paint) Maybe nothing there though.... 

Another thing you may note in 1 pic. Cho is holding what appears to be 2# glock 9mm&#039;s. Why didn&#039;t he use both of them? Did he just borrow 1 for his photo shoot? 

Filing serial no#? Goodness thats an aweful stupid thing to do. Onna&#039; legal handgun? The penality for filing serial no# is almost that of murder. Greater in some places.(Federal offense anyway) Another thing to note is on most metal componites the serials can be raised with acid. Then he has the reciept in his pocket!?Showing it was a legally purchased pistol.WTF! That oughta&#039; get the gun control poeple going inna&#039; solid uproar. (I know glocks are mostly plastic and some grades of stainless raising serials is difficult)Still its dumb to remove these numbers even on stolen pieces or even dirty pieces there is a good chance they&#039;ll never be run through the computer,or even reported stolen. Possesion of a firearm with filed serials is a federal sentence thats certainly very very nearly automatic.  So why did he bother? Was he really that stupid?

Why did it take a week for the cops to decide how many rounds were fired? Where did Cho get the other three boxes of cartridges? 

Why have the Cho films been pulled from major net work websites? 
Why does the photo of Cho that was posted,I believe @cnn not look like the Cho in the films? Was it the same Cho? Later given &quot;The Treatment&quot;? Or was it a diffrent person altogether?Though he doesn&#039;t look like a very happy young man. He bears little resembilance to the Cho in the films. And why has this photo been pulled? Did cnn just post a photo of an unhappy asian? 

At anyrate as we&#039;ve seen with 911. There is a group of poeple who profit greatly from these media events and they do have an agenda.

I hope you&#039;ll all forgive my observations. Not to mention typos and misspelling. Thank you for the great thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all my condolences to the families of the<br />
victims.</p>
<p>Alot of good work has gone into this thread. </p>
<p>Poeple please note a socalled independant investigation has been formed. Lets see what they leave out. Or fail to investigate. This is where most coverups are unmasked.</p>
<p>A coupla&#8217; observations.  Since I quit watchin&#8217; television dec 01.(It lies) I haven&#8217;t seen the full manifesto. But what I have seen is interesting in that: </p>
<p>The Cho in the vids sounds like he&#8217;s reading a script. In some places he sounds like he doesn&#8217;t believe what he&#8217;s saying,or want to say it. Forced? Interesting bit there fer&#8217; sure.</p>
<p>Also the brickwork and paint behind cho is of a govt specification.That I&#8217;ve only ever seen before in jails. I&#8217;d like to know where this was filmed. Was it in his dorm?(Note the thin layer of mortar,the quality of the paint) Maybe nothing there though&#8230;. </p>
<p>Another thing you may note in 1 pic. Cho is holding what appears to be 2# glock 9mm&#8217;s. Why didn&#8217;t he use both of them? Did he just borrow 1 for his photo shoot? </p>
<p>Filing serial no#? Goodness thats an aweful stupid thing to do. Onna&#8217; legal handgun? The penality for filing serial no# is almost that of murder. Greater in some places.(Federal offense anyway) Another thing to note is on most metal componites the serials can be raised with acid. Then he has the reciept in his pocket!?Showing it was a legally purchased pistol.WTF! That oughta&#8217; get the gun control poeple going inna&#8217; solid uproar. (I know glocks are mostly plastic and some grades of stainless raising serials is difficult)Still its dumb to remove these numbers even on stolen pieces or even dirty pieces there is a good chance they&#8217;ll never be run through the computer,or even reported stolen. Possesion of a firearm with filed serials is a federal sentence thats certainly very very nearly automatic.  So why did he bother? Was he really that stupid?</p>
<p>Why did it take a week for the cops to decide how many rounds were fired? Where did Cho get the other three boxes of cartridges? </p>
<p>Why have the Cho films been pulled from major net work websites?<br />
Why does the photo of Cho that was posted,I believe @cnn not look like the Cho in the films? Was it the same Cho? Later given &#8220;The Treatment&#8221;? Or was it a diffrent person altogether?Though he doesn&#8217;t look like a very happy young man. He bears little resembilance to the Cho in the films. And why has this photo been pulled? Did cnn just post a photo of an unhappy asian? </p>
<p>At anyrate as we&#8217;ve seen with 911. There is a group of poeple who profit greatly from these media events and they do have an agenda.</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;ll all forgive my observations. Not to mention typos and misspelling. Thank you for the great thread.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 02:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The massacre is a conspiracy, the corrupt power-hungry politicians&#039; assassination of my character.  I used to be a columnist.</description>
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		<title>By: exod-us</title>
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		<dc:creator>exod-us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 11:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Moderator: I&#039;m sorry. I just made a conditional reflex as my post looked like disappeared for the moment...</description>
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		<title>By: babalabo</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=636&#038;cpage=3#comment-7490</link>
		<dc:creator>babalabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 10:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;//MOD Censored? WTF are you talking about?! Stop making stupid accusations.&lt;/strong&gt;

&gt; So far, there is no Moonie connection to be made. Where is it documented that Wellington Boone (Promise Keepers) is backed by the Moon organization/Unification Church?

I&#039;m afraid that this blog is censored as my reply disappeared. If you like check out the URL below. Here is my blog where I posted my answer to you. 

http://exodus.exblog.jp/5609985/</description>
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<p>&gt; So far, there is no Moonie connection to be made. Where is it documented that Wellington Boone (Promise Keepers) is backed by the Moon organization/Unification Church?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that this blog is censored as my reply disappeared. If you like check out the URL below. Here is my blog where I posted my answer to you. </p>
<p><a href="http://exodus.exblog.jp/5609985/" rel="nofollow">http://exodus.exblog.jp/5609985/</a></p>
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		<title>By: exod-us</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=636&#038;cpage=3#comment-7489</link>
		<dc:creator>exod-us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 09:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; exod-us, So far, there is no Moonie connection to be made. Where is it documented that Wellington Boone (Promise Keepers) is backed by the Moon organization/Unification Church?

In a big picture Moon is just a clown crowned with a disgraceful cap. [1] Even though Boone might be much smaller figure than the reverend. I know neither if he was given a check of Moon nor in the first place he had met the self-proclaimed Messiah as it was said &quot;Silence is what Moon is buying&quot;. [2] But it is sure that he was in the circle [3], i.e., within the Animal Farm. 

Bishop Wellington Boone is a steering committee for the Coalition on Revival (COR), an organization founded in 1984 by Jay Grimstead. The Coalition is a network of evangelical leaders from every major denominational and theological perspective who share a vision for and a commitment to worldwide revival, renewal, and reformation in Church and society. [4] COR&#039;s basic mission is to encourage and help the universal Church of Jesus Christ to obey God&#039;s Cultural Mandate and the Great Commission. COR&#039;s founding director Dr. Jay Grimstead also helped found the International Council on Biblical Inerrancy. [5] 

A number of Promise Keepers leaders have ties to extreme Reconstruction and Dominionist movements including the controversial Coalition on Revival. [6] To see the deep-roots of Unification Church over the US evangerical movements, I&#039;d like to scoop merely a handful of sand by quoting from the article [7]. In this article the author Eric Jewell, an investigative reporter, affirmatively described &quot;Coalition on Revival&quot; as a Moon sponsored organization. 

Tim LaHaye
Co-author of the Left Behind book series, which depicts a person as being saved even after receiving the mark of the beast. Thinking this to be a fluke, in a conversation with his co-author Jerry Jenkins at the official left behind website in their message board section, we were told their position is that it will be ok to receive the mark of the beast as long as the recipient of the mark is not a worshiper of the beast. These men are influencing millions, and now no doubt countless thousands are embracing this doctrine as scripturally sound. Are they preparing the church to receive the mark of the beast? It would certainly seem so. I have asked Tim LaHaye several questions recently concerning his relationship with the Rev. Moon and the intelligence community. At first he denied sitting on any board with men associated with the Rev Moon, but when faced with evidence showing this to be untrue he now remains silent.
 
LaHaye is a central figure in marrying evangelical churches with the Rev. Moon and the intelligence community.
 
He was a principal in the American Freedom coalition, which was a Moon sponsored group, and claimed by Moon as an arm of his network. He was also associated with the Coalition on Revival, and the Heritage foundation, both of which were also Moon sponsored. After this association was made public, he resigned from the AFC, (though his name was not removed when he resigned), and tried to distance himself from Moon in the public eye. 

He was also a principal in the Coalition of Religious Freedom, where he spoke out for Moon during Moon&#039;s incarceration for tax fraud, asking hundreds of evangelicals to go to prison to support Moon if allowed by authorities. He was also on the original board of directors of Falwell&#039;s Moral Majority, which was also tied through its members to the intelligence community, and Ren Moon&#039;s Unification Church. 

LaHaye also founded the American Coalition of Traditional Values, which was touted as a Christian organization, but was extra-ripe with Moon organization board members, and the intelligence community. He then went on to found what was his hallmark organization, The Council for National Policy. This was an infamous moment for LaHaye as the most powerful intelligence and National Security community members were melded with the church, and it was literally filled with evangelical leaders who sit in organizations sponsored and founded by Moon. This Council went on for the next 2 decades to both work affecting national policy as well as movements within the protestant denominations, affecting nearly every evangelical church directly or indirectly. 

This coalition has even been involved with Oliver North, who was a member of CNP, and his CIA sponsored Central American mission of covertly toppling governments and then restructuring them (3). LaHaye has also been with the Council of 56 Religious Roundtable, which is another cover organization grouping together Moon&#039;s representatives and the U.S. intelligence community. LaHaye is, at my last finding, also a member of the National Religious Broadcasters which is filled with evangelical leaders tied in with Moon and U.S intelligence. 

[1]Conguring of the Beast (GROUNDZERO, Clyde Lewis)
http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/conjuring/conjuring.shtml

[2]Writing Conspiracy History: Lists Are Not Enough (Gary North, CephasMinistry/Library, 2002-03-01)
http://www.cephasministry.com/nwo_cnp_gary_north.html[1]http://www.americanatheist.org/spr97/T2/pk2.html

[3]Moonies Update (Atheists of Silicon Valley, Atheist Debate, Dialogue and Books)
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/MooniesUpdate1.htm

[4]Fuller&#039;s Evangelical &#039;Think Tank&#039; CONTINUED (Seek God, 2001-07-31)
http://www.seekgod.ca/fuller2b.htm

[5]â€œGodly Menâ€ With a Dominionist Agenda (Conrad F. Goeringer, American Atheist, Vol 32 No.2 Spring 1997)
http://www.americanatheist.org/spr97/T2/pk2.html

[6]Justice Sunday III Speaker Backgrounder (People For the American Way, RIGHT WING WATCH)
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=20267#4

[7]The Unholy Alliance - Christianity &amp; The NWO Part III (Rense.com, Eric Jewell, 2002-03-22)
http://www.rense.com/general21/unholy3.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; exod-us, So far, there is no Moonie connection to be made. Where is it documented that Wellington Boone (Promise Keepers) is backed by the Moon organization/Unification Church?</p>
<p>In a big picture Moon is just a clown crowned with a disgraceful cap. [1] Even though Boone might be much smaller figure than the reverend. I know neither if he was given a check of Moon nor in the first place he had met the self-proclaimed Messiah as it was said &#8220;Silence is what Moon is buying&#8221;. [2] But it is sure that he was in the circle [3], i.e., within the Animal Farm. </p>
<p>Bishop Wellington Boone is a steering committee for the Coalition on Revival (COR), an organization founded in 1984 by Jay Grimstead. The Coalition is a network of evangelical leaders from every major denominational and theological perspective who share a vision for and a commitment to worldwide revival, renewal, and reformation in Church and society. [4] COR&#8217;s basic mission is to encourage and help the universal Church of Jesus Christ to obey God&#8217;s Cultural Mandate and the Great Commission. COR&#8217;s founding director Dr. Jay Grimstead also helped found the International Council on Biblical Inerrancy. [5] </p>
<p>A number of Promise Keepers leaders have ties to extreme Reconstruction and Dominionist movements including the controversial Coalition on Revival. [6] To see the deep-roots of Unification Church over the US evangerical movements, I&#8217;d like to scoop merely a handful of sand by quoting from the article [7]. In this article the author Eric Jewell, an investigative reporter, affirmatively described &#8220;Coalition on Revival&#8221; as a Moon sponsored organization. </p>
<p>Tim LaHaye<br />
Co-author of the Left Behind book series, which depicts a person as being saved even after receiving the mark of the beast. Thinking this to be a fluke, in a conversation with his co-author Jerry Jenkins at the official left behind website in their message board section, we were told their position is that it will be ok to receive the mark of the beast as long as the recipient of the mark is not a worshiper of the beast. These men are influencing millions, and now no doubt countless thousands are embracing this doctrine as scripturally sound. Are they preparing the church to receive the mark of the beast? It would certainly seem so. I have asked Tim LaHaye several questions recently concerning his relationship with the Rev. Moon and the intelligence community. At first he denied sitting on any board with men associated with the Rev Moon, but when faced with evidence showing this to be untrue he now remains silent.</p>
<p>LaHaye is a central figure in marrying evangelical churches with the Rev. Moon and the intelligence community.</p>
<p>He was a principal in the American Freedom coalition, which was a Moon sponsored group, and claimed by Moon as an arm of his network. He was also associated with the Coalition on Revival, and the Heritage foundation, both of which were also Moon sponsored. After this association was made public, he resigned from the AFC, (though his name was not removed when he resigned), and tried to distance himself from Moon in the public eye. </p>
<p>He was also a principal in the Coalition of Religious Freedom, where he spoke out for Moon during Moon&#8217;s incarceration for tax fraud, asking hundreds of evangelicals to go to prison to support Moon if allowed by authorities. He was also on the original board of directors of Falwell&#8217;s Moral Majority, which was also tied through its members to the intelligence community, and Ren Moon&#8217;s Unification Church. </p>
<p>LaHaye also founded the American Coalition of Traditional Values, which was touted as a Christian organization, but was extra-ripe with Moon organization board members, and the intelligence community. He then went on to found what was his hallmark organization, The Council for National Policy. This was an infamous moment for LaHaye as the most powerful intelligence and National Security community members were melded with the church, and it was literally filled with evangelical leaders who sit in organizations sponsored and founded by Moon. This Council went on for the next 2 decades to both work affecting national policy as well as movements within the protestant denominations, affecting nearly every evangelical church directly or indirectly. </p>
<p>This coalition has even been involved with Oliver North, who was a member of CNP, and his CIA sponsored Central American mission of covertly toppling governments and then restructuring them (3). LaHaye has also been with the Council of 56 Religious Roundtable, which is another cover organization grouping together Moon&#8217;s representatives and the U.S. intelligence community. LaHaye is, at my last finding, also a member of the National Religious Broadcasters which is filled with evangelical leaders tied in with Moon and U.S intelligence. </p>
<p>[1]Conguring of the Beast (GROUNDZERO, Clyde Lewis)<br />
<a href="http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/conjuring/conjuring.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/.....ring.shtml</a></p>
<p>[2]Writing Conspiracy History: Lists Are Not Enough (Gary North, CephasMinistry/Library, 2002-03-01)<br />
<a href="http://www.cephasministry.com/nwo_cnp_gary_north.html1http://www.americanatheist.org/spr97/T2/pk2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cephasministry.com/.....2/pk2.html</a></p>
<p>[3]Moonies Update (Atheists of Silicon Valley, Atheist Debate, Dialogue and Books)<br />
<a href="http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/MooniesUpdate1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LI.....pdate1.htm</a></p>
<p>[4]Fuller&#8217;s Evangelical &#8216;Think Tank&#8217; CONTINUED (Seek God, 2001-07-31)<br />
<a href="http://www.seekgod.ca/fuller2b.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.seekgod.ca/fuller2b.htm</a></p>
<p>[5]â€œGodly Menâ€ With a Dominionist Agenda (Conrad F. Goeringer, American Atheist, Vol 32 No.2 Spring 1997)<br />
<a href="http://www.americanatheist.org/spr97/T2/pk2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanatheist.org/spr97/T2/pk2.html</a></p>
<p>[6]Justice Sunday III Speaker Backgrounder (People For the American Way, RIGHT WING WATCH)<br />
<a href="http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=20267#4" rel="nofollow">http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/gener.....id=20267#4</a></p>
<p>[7]The Unholy Alliance &#8211; Christianity &amp; The NWO Part III (Rense.com, Eric Jewell, 2002-03-22)<br />
<a href="http://www.rense.com/general21/unholy3.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rense.com/general21/unholy3.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yo</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=636&#038;cpage=3#comment-7481</link>
		<dc:creator>Yo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 22:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exod-us, So far, there is no Moonie connection to be made.   Where is it documented that Wellington Boone (Promise Keepers) is backed by the Moon organization/Unification Church?</description>
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		<title>By: exod-us</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=636&#038;cpage=3#comment-7465</link>
		<dc:creator>exod-us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 13:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Memorandom on Virginia Tech Massacre No.4: Is Rev. Moon sending nukes next?

Below is the excerpt (slightly modified) from a dialogue with ellroon, the administrator of Rants From The Rookery. I posted my previous entry in a whole to his blog. He kindly read it and put some questions to me.

&gt; babalabo, that is truly creepy and awful, but what is your point?

Falling into a depth of fantasy/illusion is not what I want, but what they (War Beneficiaries) conspired against us. That is, to promote mutual distrust and bring chaos in a region is their accustomed tactics. Currently we have two origins of all-out war, Palestine (broadly Middle East) and Korean Peninsula. As you may notice both are prepared/embedded for the next and presumably final world war just after the WWII. Europe had held their own flash point, but extincted by themselves, i.e., Berlin Wall and established EU. I don&#039;t know if the WWIII is inevitable, but I think that it is our responsible to prevent the war from coming into Far East.

North Korea carried out a nuclear test October in the last year and now 6 Party-Talks is going on. We fear that North Korea would be perceived as a nuclear power like Pakistan or Israel in the international community, and the situation is effectively proceeding towards the direction. This simply results revision of our Peace-Constitution and nuclearisation, while I think that North Korea and US war-mongers are actually collaborating for this purpose. This is my point. Incidentally Unification Church holds Armageddon vision in their minds, as well as Christian fundamentalists.

&gt; That the Virginia Tech gunman was a Moonie?

I don&#039;t know. It may be or may not. But it is very probable that Cho had been mind-controlled even in rather early time. It is told that he was abnormally wordless, that might be a symptom of a failure of mind-control. It is well documented that Unification Church was a front of KCIA, which CIA fostered. Moon strongly ties with Kim John Ill (as well as with Bush) mentally and financially. Of course these organizations provide expertize of brainwashing and mind-control. At the least Cho must have been financed by someone for his spending, purchase of weapons, renting a car over a month, hotel fees, etc etc, in a few months before the event as it seems that his emigrant poor family did not afford that.

&gt; If he was a Moonie and Rev. Moon thought it was a good idea for one of his followers to go on a rampage, the next question is why?

As above. Do you remember Tokyo Subway Sarin Gas Attack by Aum Supreme Truth? On the morning of 20th March 1995, the cult released sarin in a co-ordinated attack on five crowded trains during rush hours in the Tokyo subway system, killing 12 commuters, seriously harming 54 and affecting 980 more. It is verified that the cult had a tie with Unification Church and traded with North Korea. Aum shared the Armageddon vision with Unification Church. I don&#039;t claim that Cho was a Moonie, maybe he was just a victim. In Cho&#039;s case personal motivation cannot be neglected, but it&#039;s just a preface. You may know that the sister of Cho is an employee of an US intelligence agency, McNeil Technologies, that is too serious to miss.

&gt; To cause the collapse of American society and bring the second coming as Moon has indicated he desires?

I&#039;m not Moon, so I cannot answer you what exactly his desire is, but I suppose that he is behaving himself as an Anti-Christ described in Bible consciously or unconsciously. By the way the church formally declared that Moon is the prophesied Messiah in 1992. The coronation of Rev. Sun Myung Moon as Emperor-Messsiah took place at Dirksen Senate Building in Washington, D.C. on March 23, 2004. Can you imagine how much money have poured into your politicians?

&gt; Didn&#039;t happen. It will take a lot more than one lone gunman to destroy this culture.

Yes, of course. They are doing much by spending your money (US tax).
http://blog.au.org/2004/10/05/harvest_moon160/
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=22259
http://www.radicalleft.net/blog/_archives/2006/12/23/2587012.html

&gt; We get one of these massacres every few years or so, stagger about for a bit, and then continue on.

Someone said that 33 in US is a massacre, but 100 in Iraq is a statistic.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion_columnists/article/

&gt; Is Rev. Moon sending nukes next?

On 17th April, the very next day of the VT massacre, Nagasaki Mayer was shot and dead by a member of a criminal syndicate in our country. Our security authority is investigating the background of the incident. Some findings are demonstrated but no direct evidence of involvement of Unification Church so far. It is suggested that the criminal may be a Korean. As you know Nagasaki is our holy place commemorating the disaster of the atomic bomb, i.e., a place for aspiring lasting peace. I cannot help reading a very malicious message here.</description>
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<p>Below is the excerpt (slightly modified) from a dialogue with ellroon, the administrator of Rants From The Rookery. I posted my previous entry in a whole to his blog. He kindly read it and put some questions to me.</p>
<p>&gt; babalabo, that is truly creepy and awful, but what is your point?</p>
<p>Falling into a depth of fantasy/illusion is not what I want, but what they (War Beneficiaries) conspired against us. That is, to promote mutual distrust and bring chaos in a region is their accustomed tactics. Currently we have two origins of all-out war, Palestine (broadly Middle East) and Korean Peninsula. As you may notice both are prepared/embedded for the next and presumably final world war just after the WWII. Europe had held their own flash point, but extincted by themselves, i.e., Berlin Wall and established EU. I don&#8217;t know if the WWIII is inevitable, but I think that it is our responsible to prevent the war from coming into Far East.</p>
<p>North Korea carried out a nuclear test October in the last year and now 6 Party-Talks is going on. We fear that North Korea would be perceived as a nuclear power like Pakistan or Israel in the international community, and the situation is effectively proceeding towards the direction. This simply results revision of our Peace-Constitution and nuclearisation, while I think that North Korea and US war-mongers are actually collaborating for this purpose. This is my point. Incidentally Unification Church holds Armageddon vision in their minds, as well as Christian fundamentalists.</p>
<p>&gt; That the Virginia Tech gunman was a Moonie?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. It may be or may not. But it is very probable that Cho had been mind-controlled even in rather early time. It is told that he was abnormally wordless, that might be a symptom of a failure of mind-control. It is well documented that Unification Church was a front of KCIA, which CIA fostered. Moon strongly ties with Kim John Ill (as well as with Bush) mentally and financially. Of course these organizations provide expertize of brainwashing and mind-control. At the least Cho must have been financed by someone for his spending, purchase of weapons, renting a car over a month, hotel fees, etc etc, in a few months before the event as it seems that his emigrant poor family did not afford that.</p>
<p>&gt; If he was a Moonie and Rev. Moon thought it was a good idea for one of his followers to go on a rampage, the next question is why?</p>
<p>As above. Do you remember Tokyo Subway Sarin Gas Attack by Aum Supreme Truth? On the morning of 20th March 1995, the cult released sarin in a co-ordinated attack on five crowded trains during rush hours in the Tokyo subway system, killing 12 commuters, seriously harming 54 and affecting 980 more. It is verified that the cult had a tie with Unification Church and traded with North Korea. Aum shared the Armageddon vision with Unification Church. I don&#8217;t claim that Cho was a Moonie, maybe he was just a victim. In Cho&#8217;s case personal motivation cannot be neglected, but it&#8217;s just a preface. You may know that the sister of Cho is an employee of an US intelligence agency, McNeil Technologies, that is too serious to miss.</p>
<p>&gt; To cause the collapse of American society and bring the second coming as Moon has indicated he desires?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not Moon, so I cannot answer you what exactly his desire is, but I suppose that he is behaving himself as an Anti-Christ described in Bible consciously or unconsciously. By the way the church formally declared that Moon is the prophesied Messiah in 1992. The coronation of Rev. Sun Myung Moon as Emperor-Messsiah took place at Dirksen Senate Building in Washington, D.C. on March 23, 2004. Can you imagine how much money have poured into your politicians?</p>
<p>&gt; Didn&#8217;t happen. It will take a lot more than one lone gunman to destroy this culture.</p>
<p>Yes, of course. They are doing much by spending your money (US tax).<br />
<a href="http://blog.au.org/2004/10/05/harvest_moon160/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.au.org/2004/10/05/harvest_moon160/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=22259" rel="nofollow">http://www.workingforchange.co.....emid=22259</a><br />
<a href="http://www.radicalleft.net/blog/_archives/2006/12/23/2587012.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.radicalleft.net/blo.....87012.html</a></p>
<p>&gt; We get one of these massacres every few years or so, stagger about for a bit, and then continue on.</p>
<p>Someone said that 33 in US is a massacre, but 100 in Iraq is a statistic.<br />
<a href="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion_columnists/article/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rockymountainnews.c.....s/article/</a></p>
<p>&gt; Is Rev. Moon sending nukes next?</p>
<p>On 17th April, the very next day of the VT massacre, Nagasaki Mayer was shot and dead by a member of a criminal syndicate in our country. Our security authority is investigating the background of the incident. Some findings are demonstrated but no direct evidence of involvement of Unification Church so far. It is suggested that the criminal may be a Korean. As you know Nagasaki is our holy place commemorating the disaster of the atomic bomb, i.e., a place for aspiring lasting peace. I cannot help reading a very malicious message here.</p>
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		<description>Memorandom on Virginia Tech Massacre No.3: David Kim, the Reverend Who Has Three Faces
http://exodus.exblog.jp/5582870/

I&#039;m running after the Virginia Tech Massacre with an assumption that it might be part of some clandestine operation. Now I&#039;m sure that I&#039;m approaching the truth. It is well known that the sister of Cho Seung Hui the killer was a member of Manna Christian Fellowship in her Princeton University days, and her mentor Rev. David Kim is working for the public relations of the incident to advocate on the behalf of the perpetrator&#039;s family [1]. The reverend is affirmatively a Korean but who he is? Here are some facts.

(1) David S. C. Kim: According to wiki [2], David S. C. Kim was the first president of UTS (the Unification Theological Seminary), which serves the Unification Church [9] through graduate education in theology and related subjects, as well as by sponsoring ecumenical conferences. His term of office was 1975-1994. According to an inner article [3], in 1979 he was appointed to the head of &quot;elders&quot; of the first Summer Seminar on Unification Theology but afterwards replaced with Rev. C. H. Kwak by Moon.

(2) David Kwangshin Kim: According to wiki [4], David Kwangshin Kim was born in South Korea, graduated from Seoul National University, and became a businessman in US. He allegedly met Jesus Christ at the age of 42, abandoned his business and entered Talbot School of Theology. He founded the Grace Korean Church in 1982 with three families. It spread their missions through Grace Ministries International, and now churches have been planted all over the world, as 2,000 in Russia, 600 in Africa, 3,000 in China, 1,000 in Vietnam and many more in South America. As to Korea missions came in rather late as 2004, when Seoul Grace Church was established. Grace Korean Church is known by its aggressive mission and the systematic brainwash program called Basket Operation. Seoul Grace Church&#039;s policy does not require any membership of the church to the students, and all of the students are encouraged to work as members of other churches.

(3) David H. Kim: According to a report in Princeton University&#039;s daily newspaper, the Daily Princetonian [1], David H. Kim is the director of Manna Christian Fellowship at Princeton University. The society began over 10 years ago, and has historically heavily Asian-American membership. Its members also get together for ad hoc socializing, including movies, bowling, ice-skating and eating [5]. The fellowship was founded by Rev. Wellington Boone, who has since formed The Wellington Boone Ministries and has been deeply involved in the radical right-wing evangelical movement. Boone is also a member of the Promise Keepers movement, a phallic worship cult, promoting the total submission of women to their husband. [6][7]

Here we have three religious facilities, CTS (Unification Theological Seminary), GKC (Grace Korean Church) and Manna (Manna Christian Fellowship at Princeton University), which share the same name &quot;Rev. David Kim&quot; for their heads. By coincidence? Uncertain. Now Let&#039;s examine the time-line of the activities of these reverends. Apparently the Manna activity at Princeton University begins shortly after the end of the term at UTS. It is not unreasonable to suppose that Kim&#039;s presidency of UTS became nominal to some extent since 1979 when he dropped from the elders head. If this hypothesis is true, then all the three activities line in a raw.

 1975          1979 1982                    1994                2007    

--&#124;-------------&#124;----&#124;-----------------------&#124;-------------------&#124;-----

  &#124;&#124;    &#124;

                     &#124;


Through &#039;70 and &#039;80 Unification Church [9] awfully pervaded in Japan, and left behind 6500 missing persons allegedly abducted by the cult. The estimated total damage is over 1 trillion yen ($8.4 billion). In the period an enormous amount of money was smuggled out of Japan to US. Moon and his followers penetrated the US society pouring the money generously into their ecumenical movement like UTS, religious right wings like Promise Keepers [6], and even Afro-American religious leaders like Wellington Boone. The total money spent in these arena is estimated over $3 billion. In the middle of &#039;80, Moon was imprisoned in US for tax evasion. The period of the expansion of Grace Korean Church is exactly over wrapping. As mentioned above the income of the GKC is little from the inside membership dues. Then where did such power money come from to extend its branches all over the world. The presumable answer is just one, i.e. came from Moon.

Unification Theological Seminary is boldly an affiliate of Unification Church. Manna Christian Fellowship links to Promise Keepers, an ultra-right militant organization via the Afro-American mentor Wellington Boone backed up by Moon. [6] Grace Korean Church ostensibly seems to be a genuine Christian church but in a considerable certainty it is a disguised front of Unification Church expanded through the brainwash tactics and power of money inherited from Unification Church. In the view of development flow, it seems like shifting toward more moderate form as CTS (front of Unification Church) --&gt; GKC (kind of Christian church) --&gt; Manna (Christian social activity) but the nature is unaltered as the link between Manna and Promise Keepers.

At present I have no foundation to identify those three persons one and the same, but isn&#039;t it natural to appreciate that a single man named &quot;David Kim&quot; has relocated in each time using an alias along with the flow of the time? Yes, a suit of photos is enough. However as they say that even the president had the plastic surgery in the country [8], the facial appearance of the man might have been altered together with his aliases.

[Update] According to the survey article by the Religious Movements in Virginia University [9], David Kim had already come to Eugene, Oregon, as early as in 1959 for the first time, where Young Oon Kim, who was the first missionary of the US, had established a bridgehead of Unification Church. Miss Kim had been a spiritualist and converted in very early stage of the church as 1954, when the church, the Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity (HSA-UWC), formally founded. Miss Kim and her group translated their sacred text, the Divine Principle, into English.

[1]Cho &#039;04 calls campus friend (DAILLYPRINCETONIAN.COM, 2007-04-19)
[2]Unification Theological Seminary (WikipediA, 2007-02-19)
[3]Lost World Of Unification Studies (True Parents Organization, 1999-01-30)
[4]Seoul Grace Church (WikipediA, 2007-04-24)
[5]Manna Christian Fellowship Highlights (princeton.edu, manna)
[6]News - Cho ties to Manna Christian Fellowship (The Conspiracy Theory Blogger, 2007-04-21)
[7]&#039;Promise Keepers&#039; Mind Control Techniques (Educate-Yourself, Mind Control)
[8]S. Korea Sees Boom in Male Plastic Surgery (SFGate.com, 2006-04-16)
[9]The Unification Church (Religious Movements, 2001-09-05)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Memorandom on Virginia Tech Massacre No.3: David Kim, the Reverend Who Has Three Faces<br />
<a href="http://exodus.exblog.jp/5582870/" rel="nofollow">http://exodus.exblog.jp/5582870/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m running after the Virginia Tech Massacre with an assumption that it might be part of some clandestine operation. Now I&#8217;m sure that I&#8217;m approaching the truth. It is well known that the sister of Cho Seung Hui the killer was a member of Manna Christian Fellowship in her Princeton University days, and her mentor Rev. David Kim is working for the public relations of the incident to advocate on the behalf of the perpetrator&#8217;s family [1]. The reverend is affirmatively a Korean but who he is? Here are some facts.</p>
<p>(1) David S. C. Kim: According to wiki [2], David S. C. Kim was the first president of UTS (the Unification Theological Seminary), which serves the Unification Church [9] through graduate education in theology and related subjects, as well as by sponsoring ecumenical conferences. His term of office was 1975-1994. According to an inner article [3], in 1979 he was appointed to the head of &#8220;elders&#8221; of the first Summer Seminar on Unification Theology but afterwards replaced with Rev. C. H. Kwak by Moon.</p>
<p>(2) David Kwangshin Kim: According to wiki [4], David Kwangshin Kim was born in South Korea, graduated from Seoul National University, and became a businessman in US. He allegedly met Jesus Christ at the age of 42, abandoned his business and entered Talbot School of Theology. He founded the Grace Korean Church in 1982 with three families. It spread their missions through Grace Ministries International, and now churches have been planted all over the world, as 2,000 in Russia, 600 in Africa, 3,000 in China, 1,000 in Vietnam and many more in South America. As to Korea missions came in rather late as 2004, when Seoul Grace Church was established. Grace Korean Church is known by its aggressive mission and the systematic brainwash program called Basket Operation. Seoul Grace Church&#8217;s policy does not require any membership of the church to the students, and all of the students are encouraged to work as members of other churches.</p>
<p>(3) David H. Kim: According to a report in Princeton University&#8217;s daily newspaper, the Daily Princetonian [1], David H. Kim is the director of Manna Christian Fellowship at Princeton University. The society began over 10 years ago, and has historically heavily Asian-American membership. Its members also get together for ad hoc socializing, including movies, bowling, ice-skating and eating [5]. The fellowship was founded by Rev. Wellington Boone, who has since formed The Wellington Boone Ministries and has been deeply involved in the radical right-wing evangelical movement. Boone is also a member of the Promise Keepers movement, a phallic worship cult, promoting the total submission of women to their husband. [6][7]</p>
<p>Here we have three religious facilities, CTS (Unification Theological Seminary), GKC (Grace Korean Church) and Manna (Manna Christian Fellowship at Princeton University), which share the same name &#8220;Rev. David Kim&#8221; for their heads. By coincidence? Uncertain. Now Let&#8217;s examine the time-line of the activities of these reverends. Apparently the Manna activity at Princeton University begins shortly after the end of the term at UTS. It is not unreasonable to suppose that Kim&#8217;s presidency of UTS became nominal to some extent since 1979 when he dropped from the elders head. If this hypothesis is true, then all the three activities line in a raw.</p>
<p> 1975          1979 1982                    1994                2007    </p>
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<p>Through &#8216;70 and &#8216;80 Unification Church [9] awfully pervaded in Japan, and left behind 6500 missing persons allegedly abducted by the cult. The estimated total damage is over 1 trillion yen ($8.4 billion). In the period an enormous amount of money was smuggled out of Japan to US. Moon and his followers penetrated the US society pouring the money generously into their ecumenical movement like UTS, religious right wings like Promise Keepers [6], and even Afro-American religious leaders like Wellington Boone. The total money spent in these arena is estimated over $3 billion. In the middle of &#8216;80, Moon was imprisoned in US for tax evasion. The period of the expansion of Grace Korean Church is exactly over wrapping. As mentioned above the income of the GKC is little from the inside membership dues. Then where did such power money come from to extend its branches all over the world. The presumable answer is just one, i.e. came from Moon.</p>
<p>Unification Theological Seminary is boldly an affiliate of Unification Church. Manna Christian Fellowship links to Promise Keepers, an ultra-right militant organization via the Afro-American mentor Wellington Boone backed up by Moon. [6] Grace Korean Church ostensibly seems to be a genuine Christian church but in a considerable certainty it is a disguised front of Unification Church expanded through the brainwash tactics and power of money inherited from Unification Church. In the view of development flow, it seems like shifting toward more moderate form as CTS (front of Unification Church) &#8211;&gt; GKC (kind of Christian church) &#8211;&gt; Manna (Christian social activity) but the nature is unaltered as the link between Manna and Promise Keepers.</p>
<p>At present I have no foundation to identify those three persons one and the same, but isn&#8217;t it natural to appreciate that a single man named &#8220;David Kim&#8221; has relocated in each time using an alias along with the flow of the time? Yes, a suit of photos is enough. However as they say that even the president had the plastic surgery in the country [8], the facial appearance of the man might have been altered together with his aliases.</p>
<p>[Update] According to the survey article by the Religious Movements in Virginia University [9], David Kim had already come to Eugene, Oregon, as early as in 1959 for the first time, where Young Oon Kim, who was the first missionary of the US, had established a bridgehead of Unification Church. Miss Kim had been a spiritualist and converted in very early stage of the church as 1954, when the church, the Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity (HSA-UWC), formally founded. Miss Kim and her group translated their sacred text, the Divine Principle, into English.</p>
<p>[1]Cho &#8216;04 calls campus friend (DAILLYPRINCETONIAN.COM, 2007-04-19)<br />
[2]Unification Theological Seminary (WikipediA, 2007-02-19)<br />
[3]Lost World Of Unification Studies (True Parents Organization, 1999-01-30)<br />
[4]Seoul Grace Church (WikipediA, 2007-04-24)<br />
[5]Manna Christian Fellowship Highlights (princeton.edu, manna)<br />
[6]News &#8211; Cho ties to Manna Christian Fellowship (The Conspiracy Theory Blogger, 2007-04-21)<br />
[7]&#8216;Promise Keepers&#8217; Mind Control Techniques (Educate-Yourself, Mind Control)<br />
[8]S. Korea Sees Boom in Male Plastic Surgery (SFGate.com, 2006-04-16)<br />
[9]The Unification Church (Religious Movements, 2001-09-05)</p>
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