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		<title>By: Loveandlight</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=5058&#038;cpage=1#comment-14737</link>
		<dc:creator>Loveandlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zuma, WRT people who are full of &quot;PP&quot;:

I have noticed that ever since about 2003, US society has become a place where the &lt;b&gt;freaking jerks&lt;/b&gt; are very firmly in charge, to an extent that&#039;s very badly socially and economically destabilizing.  Though I suppose that&#039;s fairly self-evident by now, or else the huge Ponzi-scheme that are the derivatives-based financial-markets that have triggered our society&#039;s initial round of &quot;future-shock&quot; problems, wouldn&#039;t even have been possible!  In fact, I regard the increasingly flagrant manifestations of social and moral badness I see as very reliable guages of the nearness of &quot;The End of the World As We Have Known It&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zuma, WRT people who are full of &#8220;PP&#8221;:</p>
<p>I have noticed that ever since about 2003, US society has become a place where the <b>freaking jerks</b> are very firmly in charge, to an extent that&#8217;s very badly socially and economically destabilizing.  Though I suppose that&#8217;s fairly self-evident by now, or else the huge Ponzi-scheme that are the derivatives-based financial-markets that have triggered our society&#8217;s initial round of &#8220;future-shock&#8221; problems, wouldn&#8217;t even have been possible!  In fact, I regard the increasingly flagrant manifestations of social and moral badness I see as very reliable guages of the nearness of &#8220;The End of the World As We Have Known It&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: pdugan</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=5058&#038;cpage=1#comment-14736</link>
		<dc:creator>pdugan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My younger brother is something of a sociopath and is the only one of my siblings that still takes Catholicism seriously. Coincidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My younger brother is something of a sociopath and is the only one of my siblings that still takes Catholicism seriously. Coincidence?</p>
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		<title>By: Zuma</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=5058&#038;cpage=1#comment-14734</link>
		<dc:creator>Zuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://hare.org/

not everyone has the emotions of conscience. robert hare has worked with this reality for over a quarter century.

our genetic differences are becoming greater understood with each passing year.

one world religion? we haven&#039;t a one world anything.

the psychopath problem is real. kurt vonnegut spoke of it in his last book, &#039;a man without a country&#039;. he called them PP&#039;s -psychopathic personalities. the last 8 years under bush underscored and delineated the problem well enough.

the power intoxication that goes with national leadership is another but related problem. something robert hare studied. (i wish he had MRI facilities at his free disposal...) power intoxication alone is worth study.

substantial dissolution of ego on a broad scale takes more cultural reconstruction than any religion. it takes substance. and substances.

what we may be facing is the culmination of hundreds of years of alcohol inculturation on top of the millenia old dominator subculture. let a one world religion tackle that right off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://hare.org/" rel="nofollow">http://hare.org/</a></p>
<p>not everyone has the emotions of conscience. robert hare has worked with this reality for over a quarter century.</p>
<p>our genetic differences are becoming greater understood with each passing year.</p>
<p>one world religion? we haven&#8217;t a one world anything.</p>
<p>the psychopath problem is real. kurt vonnegut spoke of it in his last book, &#8216;a man without a country&#8217;. he called them PP&#8217;s -psychopathic personalities. the last 8 years under bush underscored and delineated the problem well enough.</p>
<p>the power intoxication that goes with national leadership is another but related problem. something robert hare studied. (i wish he had MRI facilities at his free disposal&#8230;) power intoxication alone is worth study.</p>
<p>substantial dissolution of ego on a broad scale takes more cultural reconstruction than any religion. it takes substance. and substances.</p>
<p>what we may be facing is the culmination of hundreds of years of alcohol inculturation on top of the millenia old dominator subculture. let a one world religion tackle that right off.</p>
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		<title>By: Loveandlight</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=5058&#038;cpage=1#comment-14731</link>
		<dc:creator>Loveandlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Game’s up boys - Christ wouldn’t bow to the “God of this World”
but you did. Hope this mass of decaying matter makes you
happy ! It ain’t gonna last - it’s as flawed as your fiat $$$.&lt;/i&gt;

It would be so great if we could be &lt;b&gt;done&lt;/b&gt; with this freaking place.  I sometimes think that the 3rd Dimension of space-time is Hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Game’s up boys &#8211; Christ wouldn’t bow to the “God of this World”<br />
but you did. Hope this mass of decaying matter makes you<br />
happy ! It ain’t gonna last &#8211; it’s as flawed as your fiat $$$.</i></p>
<p>It would be so great if we could be <b>done</b> with this freaking place.  I sometimes think that the 3rd Dimension of space-time is Hell.</p>
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		<title>By: triad60</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=5058&#038;cpage=1#comment-14729</link>
		<dc:creator>triad60</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just finished reading Nathaniel Merritt&#039;s &quot;Jehovah Unmasked&quot;
and would recommend to anyone disturbed by churchianity.
Merritt&#039;s belief ( also Gnostic Xtinaity&#039;s) that lower gods (Archons)
clumsily created Earth and mankind from dead matter of the
universe and thus the horror story that is our physical existence.

In a round about way this explains the cryptocracy&#039;s &quot; I gotta
secret and if only you were worthy of knowing it i&#039;d tell yah&quot;

Game&#039;s up boys - Christ wouldn&#039;t bow to the &quot;God of this World&quot;
but you did.  Hope this mass of decaying matter makes you
happy ! It ain&#039;t gonna last - it&#039;s as flawed as your fiat $$$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished reading Nathaniel Merritt&#8217;s &#8220;Jehovah Unmasked&#8221;<br />
and would recommend to anyone disturbed by churchianity.<br />
Merritt&#8217;s belief ( also Gnostic Xtinaity&#8217;s) that lower gods (Archons)<br />
clumsily created Earth and mankind from dead matter of the<br />
universe and thus the horror story that is our physical existence.</p>
<p>In a round about way this explains the cryptocracy&#8217;s &#8221; I gotta<br />
secret and if only you were worthy of knowing it i&#8217;d tell yah&#8221;</p>
<p>Game&#8217;s up boys &#8211; Christ wouldn&#8217;t bow to the &#8220;God of this World&#8221;<br />
but you did.  Hope this mass of decaying matter makes you<br />
happy ! It ain&#8217;t gonna last &#8211; it&#8217;s as flawed as your fiat $$$.</p>
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		<title>By: messianicdruid</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=5058&#038;cpage=1#comment-14725</link>
		<dc:creator>messianicdruid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Eternity&quot; just means an unknown {obscure} amount of time. To punish endlessly is against the Law.

www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=21276</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Eternity&#8221; just means an unknown {obscure} amount of time. To punish endlessly is against the Law.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=21276" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldismoney.info/fo.....hp?t=21276</a></p>
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		<title>By: snorky</title>
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		<dc:creator>snorky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a NON-fundie Bible believing Christian (and former atheist), I concur. I can see the likes of Hagee and Lindsay denouncing this one world religion BS as &quot;God&#039;s strong delusion&quot; (2 Thess. 2:9-11) (when, of course, the strong delusion is partly what these two and their Christian-Zionist fellows preach)...such that &quot;most Christians&quot; will believe that this movement is the harbinger to &quot;the rapture&quot; (which I believe is nonsense as well Love andLight) and the &quot;great tribulation&quot; and by denouncing this stuff it might leave them open to true anti-Christ.

As for psychopathology in power, also read &quot;Political Ponerology&quot; by Lobaczewski, if you can stand the scholarliness and understand the psych jargon. Always beware when possible psychopaths (Page...I mean it might take a psychopath to amass his kind of wealth, power, and crush the competition ethics...but what do I know with only a BS in Psychology and a Masters in Counseling?) try to push Kumbaya on us.

And yes, Loveandlight, fundie atheists are just as odious as fire and brimstone &quot;hell for eternity for sinners&quot; Christians. NO ONE is going to hell for &quot;eternity&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a NON-fundie Bible believing Christian (and former atheist), I concur. I can see the likes of Hagee and Lindsay denouncing this one world religion BS as &#8220;God&#8217;s strong delusion&#8221; (2 Thess. 2:9-11) (when, of course, the strong delusion is partly what these two and their Christian-Zionist fellows preach)&#8230;such that &#8220;most Christians&#8221; will believe that this movement is the harbinger to &#8220;the rapture&#8221; (which I believe is nonsense as well Love andLight) and the &#8220;great tribulation&#8221; and by denouncing this stuff it might leave them open to true anti-Christ.</p>
<p>As for psychopathology in power, also read &#8220;Political Ponerology&#8221; by Lobaczewski, if you can stand the scholarliness and understand the psych jargon. Always beware when possible psychopaths (Page&#8230;I mean it might take a psychopath to amass his kind of wealth, power, and crush the competition ethics&#8230;but what do I know with only a BS in Psychology and a Masters in Counseling?) try to push Kumbaya on us.</p>
<p>And yes, Loveandlight, fundie atheists are just as odious as fire and brimstone &#8220;hell for eternity for sinners&#8221; Christians. NO ONE is going to hell for &#8220;eternity&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Loveandlight</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=5058&#038;cpage=1#comment-14720</link>
		<dc:creator>Loveandlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll very likely give the book a perusal at the very least.

One of my bigger subconscious fears about the unfolding collapse is that the course of events will validate Fundamentalist Christian theology by more or less mirroring what the Book of Revelations predicts for the End Times.  (With the exception of the Rapture.  Even if I were a tongue-speaking, snake-fondling hillybilly fundy, I don&#039;t think I could believe in the Rapture.  Something that worldwide and blatantly supernatural would make it too easy for those left behind to believe, after all, woudln&#039;t it?)  And that&#039;s because I&#039;m at the point in my personal development where I find Fundy Xtian theology so utterly repellent that I couldn&#039;t bring myself to be a believer even if it could somehow be demonstrated to be objectively true.  And that, of course, would mean that I was destined for the Big Basement for all eternity, along with everybody who isn&#039;t a born-again shit-for-brains.  Some cosmos that would be to live in!  But I still wouldn&#039;t &quot;take the Mark of the Beast&quot; (likely in the form of an implanted computer-chip) even if it meant starving to death and being an outcast.

One theology I believed in for a while was New Age orthodoxy, namely that you are 100% responsible for 100% of the reality you experience 100% of the time through the agency of your thoughts and feelings.  That kind of absolutism is pretty fundamentalist by itself and really has a way of not squaring very well with the experience of real life.  I finally realized that Kool-Aid was no longer for me when I took a good look at saw what a bunch of silly dopes orthodox New Agers on the Internet were.

So now I guess I&#039;m just weird and inconsistent.  (And as long as I&#039;m rambling about religion and worldview, I just thought I&#039;d add that another group whom I think needs to be put in their place hugely and seriously are the atheist-skeptizealot Dawkins-fanbois of the sort who populate &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reddit.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reddit.com&lt;/a&gt;.  If that lot honestly think they are &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; old-fashioned religious fanatics, then that only goes to show how good fanatics are at kidding themselves!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll very likely give the book a perusal at the very least.</p>
<p>One of my bigger subconscious fears about the unfolding collapse is that the course of events will validate Fundamentalist Christian theology by more or less mirroring what the Book of Revelations predicts for the End Times.  (With the exception of the Rapture.  Even if I were a tongue-speaking, snake-fondling hillybilly fundy, I don&#8217;t think I could believe in the Rapture.  Something that worldwide and blatantly supernatural would make it too easy for those left behind to believe, after all, woudln&#8217;t it?)  And that&#8217;s because I&#8217;m at the point in my personal development where I find Fundy Xtian theology so utterly repellent that I couldn&#8217;t bring myself to be a believer even if it could somehow be demonstrated to be objectively true.  And that, of course, would mean that I was destined for the Big Basement for all eternity, along with everybody who isn&#8217;t a born-again shit-for-brains.  Some cosmos that would be to live in!  But I still wouldn&#8217;t &#8220;take the Mark of the Beast&#8221; (likely in the form of an implanted computer-chip) even if it meant starving to death and being an outcast.</p>
<p>One theology I believed in for a while was New Age orthodoxy, namely that you are 100% responsible for 100% of the reality you experience 100% of the time through the agency of your thoughts and feelings.  That kind of absolutism is pretty fundamentalist by itself and really has a way of not squaring very well with the experience of real life.  I finally realized that Kool-Aid was no longer for me when I took a good look at saw what a bunch of silly dopes orthodox New Agers on the Internet were.</p>
<p>So now I guess I&#8217;m just weird and inconsistent.  (And as long as I&#8217;m rambling about religion and worldview, I just thought I&#8217;d add that another group whom I think needs to be put in their place hugely and seriously are the atheist-skeptizealot Dawkins-fanbois of the sort who populate <a href="http://www.reddit.com/" rel="nofollow">Reddit.com</a>.  If that lot honestly think they are <b>not</b> old-fashioned religious fanatics, then that only goes to show how good fanatics are at kidding themselves!)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a member of a fundamentalist / heterodox religion for many years before tiring of the whole soul destroying, polemical and mechanical nature of it.

Some years after leaving, I found a second hand copy of the book Kevin linked to (behind the &#039;psychopath hatcheries&#039; link for those following along at home). Reading that book cover to cover encapsulated in a &#039;nutshell&#039; all the strife and problems our human society is going through.

Thanks Kevin for bringing this amazing book to your readers&#039; attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a member of a fundamentalist / heterodox religion for many years before tiring of the whole soul destroying, polemical and mechanical nature of it.</p>
<p>Some years after leaving, I found a second hand copy of the book Kevin linked to (behind the &#8216;psychopath hatcheries&#8217; link for those following along at home). Reading that book cover to cover encapsulated in a &#8216;nutshell&#8217; all the strife and problems our human society is going through.</p>
<p>Thanks Kevin for bringing this amazing book to your readers&#8217; attention.</p>
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