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		<title>By: cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; Commander&#8217;s Veto Sank Threatening Gulf Buildup</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-7800</link>
		<dc:creator>cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; Commander&#8217;s Veto Sank Threatening Gulf Buildup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 00:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8212;Zbigniew Brzezinski Before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; Money: Going Tactical</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-6662</link>
		<dc:creator>cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; Money: Going Tactical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] could become a crisis for &#8220;life as we know it&#8221; at any moment. Personally, after the Zbigniew Brzezinski Senate drama, I didn&#8217;t think it was going to come to this. But here we [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; U.S. Generals &#8216;Will Quit&#8217; if Bush Orders Iran Attack</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-2573</link>
		<dc:creator>cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; U.S. Generals &#8216;Will Quit&#8217; if Bush Orders Iran Attack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; Russia Warns U.S. On Iran Moves</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-2506</link>
		<dc:creator>cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; Russia Warns U.S. On Iran Moves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you haven&#8217;t read, Zbigniew Brzezinski Before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, now would be a good time to do [...]</description>
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		<title>By: shinypeter</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-2482</link>
		<dc:creator>shinypeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to take issue with the notion that Islam had anything to do with 911 in paragraph 16 by Robert. How could the so called Islamic terrorists have prepped the three buildings for demolition?

paragraph 17 by Synapse on the other hand deals accurately with the Odoms posture as a foil for Kissinger  Rockefeller elitist problem reaction solution ploy that leaves the UN to calm the waters in a way that now seems acceptable though impossible to have brought off previously.

I also thought the understanding of the forthcoming demise of our existing economic model  in the earlier paragraphs was right on the money,pun intended.

Impressive forum! I usually jump in with both feet but I would only come to this forum with well measured content. Congratulations. Peter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to take issue with the notion that Islam had anything to do with 911 in paragraph 16 by Robert. How could the so called Islamic terrorists have prepped the three buildings for demolition?</p>
<p>paragraph 17 by Synapse on the other hand deals accurately with the Odoms posture as a foil for Kissinger  Rockefeller elitist problem reaction solution ploy that leaves the UN to calm the waters in a way that now seems acceptable though impossible to have brought off previously.</p>
<p>I also thought the understanding of the forthcoming demise of our existing economic model  in the earlier paragraphs was right on the money,pun intended.</p>
<p>Impressive forum! I usually jump in with both feet but I would only come to this forum with well measured content. Congratulations. Peter.</p>
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		<title>By: Zbigniew Brzezinski fears &#8216;false flag&#8217; attack on Iran (Shillum)</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-2364</link>
		<dc:creator>Zbigniew Brzezinski fears &#8216;false flag&#8217; attack on Iran (Shillum)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is being overturned by a new gang of thugs who aren&#8217;t playing by the old rules. Instead of back channel manipulation, secret deals, selective use of black ops and the building broad coalition..., these gangsters only know the language of brute force. The words of his testimony are significant [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mark peterson</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-2112</link>
		<dc:creator>mark peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would tend to agree with the two intuitions that Brzezinski is A) playing the role of good cop and B) representing parties with more long term interests. but, viz-a-viz the question of how this intervention refltects his historical recommendations, it is clear that all of the intrigues he supported during the Cold War and the Clinton years were fundamentally within the framework of mutually supportive state positions that are being challenged and undermined by the Neo-Con group. he is a relic of a bygone era that suffered from its own particular brand of hubris: one in which their ceaseless geopolitical machinations could somehow be reigned in canalized at the last minute. 

the new breed of global imperialists of course gleefully took up the role of vanguard in all such right-leaning pressurization operations, but perhaps, and this is the million dollar question, perhaps they foresaw a break with them that brought them, in the course of which an alliance of struggling metropoles would be forced not to pay tribute to Brzezinski&#039;s state system, but rather to a floating global consortium of financeers, thugs, and seed-hoarding eugenicists. what we confront in the coming weeks is the nature of the coming transition, a choice between the globalization of the state apparatus and the globalization of the syndicate and its relentless dynastic impulses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would tend to agree with the two intuitions that Brzezinski is A) playing the role of good cop and B) representing parties with more long term interests. but, viz-a-viz the question of how this intervention refltects his historical recommendations, it is clear that all of the intrigues he supported during the Cold War and the Clinton years were fundamentally within the framework of mutually supportive state positions that are being challenged and undermined by the Neo-Con group. he is a relic of a bygone era that suffered from its own particular brand of hubris: one in which their ceaseless geopolitical machinations could somehow be reigned in canalized at the last minute. </p>
<p>the new breed of global imperialists of course gleefully took up the role of vanguard in all such right-leaning pressurization operations, but perhaps, and this is the million dollar question, perhaps they foresaw a break with them that brought them, in the course of which an alliance of struggling metropoles would be forced not to pay tribute to Brzezinski&#8217;s state system, but rather to a floating global consortium of financeers, thugs, and seed-hoarding eugenicists. what we confront in the coming weeks is the nature of the coming transition, a choice between the globalization of the state apparatus and the globalization of the syndicate and its relentless dynastic impulses.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Chudleigh</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-2071</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Chudleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 03:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your analysis, though offered from a differing point of view, and I do not intend to be too creitical here, is no less shortsighted than those already overwhelmed by greed.

These points do not represent in any significant way, the entire spectrum of influences at play.  This strikes at the heart of our failing as a culture; we only put on the table the cards with which we are prepared or able to deal.  So what gets left out?  An elusive element more valuable than &#039;gold pressed latinum.&#039;  It&#039;s called humility.  Humbleness.  The acknowledgement that in our most impressive intellectual moments, our value and influence counts for no more than perhaps 25% of the total equation.

Goofballs like Brzezinsk who hold onto childlike, selfish delusions are only heard by those who will listen.  The deeper, more significant influences are getting it done, and it is these undecurrents that have forced the CFR and other Romulin families to de-cloak in order to fight for their lives.  Literally.  I find a certain pathetic amusement in watching them squeam in the traps of their own design.

In India there is a saying:  &quot;In shallow men the fish of little thoughts make much commotion, in oceanic minds the whales of inspiration make hardly a ruffle.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your analysis, though offered from a differing point of view, and I do not intend to be too creitical here, is no less shortsighted than those already overwhelmed by greed.</p>
<p>These points do not represent in any significant way, the entire spectrum of influences at play.  This strikes at the heart of our failing as a culture; we only put on the table the cards with which we are prepared or able to deal.  So what gets left out?  An elusive element more valuable than &#8216;gold pressed latinum.&#8217;  It&#8217;s called humility.  Humbleness.  The acknowledgement that in our most impressive intellectual moments, our value and influence counts for no more than perhaps 25% of the total equation.</p>
<p>Goofballs like Brzezinsk who hold onto childlike, selfish delusions are only heard by those who will listen.  The deeper, more significant influences are getting it done, and it is these undecurrents that have forced the CFR and other Romulin families to de-cloak in order to fight for their lives.  Literally.  I find a certain pathetic amusement in watching them squeam in the traps of their own design.</p>
<p>In India there is a saying:  &#8220;In shallow men the fish of little thoughts make much commotion, in oceanic minds the whales of inspiration make hardly a ruffle.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; SERIOUS ATTACK ON ROOT DNS NODES</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-2039</link>
		<dc:creator>cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; SERIOUS ATTACK ON ROOT DNS NODES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] days ago, in a comment on the Zbigniew Brzezinski Before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee story, I wrote the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A.Akhundov</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-2031</link>
		<dc:creator>A.Akhundov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I respectfully beg to differ with Neal. What we see here is not a case of &quot;psyops&quot;, but something much more simpler. Americans are always known for their cockiness - which in the end usually comes a-cropper. It is their national trait. So here we see Brzezinski falling flat on his nose after fearfully realising that any Iranian caper may well begin the sinking process of his beloved Titanic - inspite of what he so cockily wrote and suggested in his so-called &quot;Grand Chessboard&quot; book ten years ago. 1997 was another time, another age. Nobody in the world then had the cheek to foretell what is happening now. The world was all America&#039;s, with it smugly mounted atop. 
Finally, I will add that Brzezinski&#039;s worst fears will come true this spring. Iran WILL be attacked - that is a part of Bush&#039;s strategy which it organically can&#039;t do without. And then we will all see what will come to pass regarding America, its &quot;free world&quot; of Western allies and their erstwhile Islamic toadies in the Middle East (remember it was Brzezinski and his cohorts who cultivated Islamic terror with which to tackle the USSR. Well, they got what they wanted, but a great deal more too... American cleverness at play, of course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I respectfully beg to differ with Neal. What we see here is not a case of &#8220;psyops&#8221;, but something much more simpler. Americans are always known for their cockiness &#8211; which in the end usually comes a-cropper. It is their national trait. So here we see Brzezinski falling flat on his nose after fearfully realising that any Iranian caper may well begin the sinking process of his beloved Titanic &#8211; inspite of what he so cockily wrote and suggested in his so-called &#8220;Grand Chessboard&#8221; book ten years ago. 1997 was another time, another age. Nobody in the world then had the cheek to foretell what is happening now. The world was all America&#8217;s, with it smugly mounted atop.<br />
Finally, I will add that Brzezinski&#8217;s worst fears will come true this spring. Iran WILL be attacked &#8211; that is a part of Bush&#8217;s strategy which it organically can&#8217;t do without. And then we will all see what will come to pass regarding America, its &#8220;free world&#8221; of Western allies and their erstwhile Islamic toadies in the Middle East (remember it was Brzezinski and his cohorts who cultivated Islamic terror with which to tackle the USSR. Well, they got what they wanted, but a great deal more too&#8230; American cleverness at play, of course).</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-2000</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff, all.  Remember that Z is a sharp guy.  You don&#039;t write a book like The Grand Chessboard just by being an ass kisser.  His speaking up may be a grand move of it&#039;s own kind, or part of positioning as some of you said. Either way, it is a  clear indicator that things are in motion.

Good luck Kevin !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, all.  Remember that Z is a sharp guy.  You don&#8217;t write a book like The Grand Chessboard just by being an ass kisser.  His speaking up may be a grand move of it&#8217;s own kind, or part of positioning as some of you said. Either way, it is a  clear indicator that things are in motion.</p>
<p>Good luck Kevin !</p>
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		<title>By: Hermes10</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>Hermes10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...we never watch television, people look at us like weâ€™re insane...We donâ€™t talk much about our composting toilet; itâ€™s just not worth the hassle. My guess is that most people (easily 99% of them) in â€œadvanced economiesâ€ would choose death over this type of lifestyle.

If all the people who watch television choose death then there may indeed be a future for the human race.  Personally, though, I think all remaining resources will just be devoted to getting the TV&#039;s working again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;we never watch television, people look at us like weâ€™re insane&#8230;We donâ€™t talk much about our composting toilet; itâ€™s just not worth the hassle. My guess is that most people (easily 99% of them) in â€œadvanced economiesâ€ would choose death over this type of lifestyle.</p>
<p>If all the people who watch television choose death then there may indeed be a future for the human race.  Personally, though, I think all remaining resources will just be devoted to getting the TV&#8217;s working again.</p>
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		<title>By: synapse</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-1984</link>
		<dc:creator>synapse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent commentary and analysis by Kevin who described my views on Brzezinski&#039;s political role playing with more clarity and wit than I could have ever done.

Also, fascinating points brought up by Neal and the other commentators.

My impressions of Brzezinki&#039;s deep level of ongoing involvement in reshaping America&#039;s (and therefore, the global elites&#039;) hand in Middle Eastern affairs were reinforced about 2 years ago after watching a McLaughlin group discussion about General William Odom&#039;s strong denunciation of the war in Iraq.  My guess was that Odom was somebody&#039;s puppet and when I went the Harvard-based Neiman Watchdog website to read Odom&#039;s statements my suspicions were confirmed.  In the text of Odom&#039;s speech, he often referred to and quoted Brzezinki&#039;s preference for letting the U.N. take control of Iraq.  I saw it as classic global elite hegemony agenda driven thinking in line with the likes of Kissinger and Rockefeller.

While it appears likely that there is indeed a real schism between the elites&#039; approach to global hegemony, at least for the American electorate, one cannot discount that the Hegelian dialect is in operation.  Brzezinski is a master of the technique and it would not surprise me if we are witnessing the most elaborate political theater yet devised.  In this scenario, the neocons are scripted the role of bad cops to invade Iraq and the seemingly more level-headed elites (largely represented by the Democratic leadership) are the good cops given the task of organizing U.N. control of Iraq - an event which prior to the neocon invasion of Iraq would have been inconceivable to the American electorate but now seems reasonable.

In a dialectic approach to political maneuvering an extreme policy shunned by the public becomes acceptable when an even more extreme policy is advocated or employed and by the process of thesis-antithesis-synthesis the alternative or compromise (although still extreme) by comparison starts to look reasonable.  Through the lens of the dialectic it is easy to see how often voters are manipulated this way on both foreign and domestic issues.

While parsimony compels us to the Kevin&#039;s viewpoint of elite balkanization, we should always be aware of the possibility of a dialetic framework at play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent commentary and analysis by Kevin who described my views on Brzezinski&#8217;s political role playing with more clarity and wit than I could have ever done.</p>
<p>Also, fascinating points brought up by Neal and the other commentators.</p>
<p>My impressions of Brzezinki&#8217;s deep level of ongoing involvement in reshaping America&#8217;s (and therefore, the global elites&#8217;) hand in Middle Eastern affairs were reinforced about 2 years ago after watching a McLaughlin group discussion about General William Odom&#8217;s strong denunciation of the war in Iraq.  My guess was that Odom was somebody&#8217;s puppet and when I went the Harvard-based Neiman Watchdog website to read Odom&#8217;s statements my suspicions were confirmed.  In the text of Odom&#8217;s speech, he often referred to and quoted Brzezinki&#8217;s preference for letting the U.N. take control of Iraq.  I saw it as classic global elite hegemony agenda driven thinking in line with the likes of Kissinger and Rockefeller.</p>
<p>While it appears likely that there is indeed a real schism between the elites&#8217; approach to global hegemony, at least for the American electorate, one cannot discount that the Hegelian dialect is in operation.  Brzezinski is a master of the technique and it would not surprise me if we are witnessing the most elaborate political theater yet devised.  In this scenario, the neocons are scripted the role of bad cops to invade Iraq and the seemingly more level-headed elites (largely represented by the Democratic leadership) are the good cops given the task of organizing U.N. control of Iraq &#8211; an event which prior to the neocon invasion of Iraq would have been inconceivable to the American electorate but now seems reasonable.</p>
<p>In a dialectic approach to political maneuvering an extreme policy shunned by the public becomes acceptable when an even more extreme policy is advocated or employed and by the process of thesis-antithesis-synthesis the alternative or compromise (although still extreme) by comparison starts to look reasonable.  Through the lens of the dialectic it is easy to see how often voters are manipulated this way on both foreign and domestic issues.</p>
<p>While parsimony compels us to the Kevin&#8217;s viewpoint of elite balkanization, we should always be aware of the possibility of a dialetic framework at play.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-1983</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin and David, two very good posts.

First David, I like your idea that Jesus was used much like al quada is being used today. We introduce radical islam into Afghanistan in the late 70&#039;s as a way to counteract Russia&#039;s influence in the area. This breeds ACTUAL radical Islam and it spreads to places like Pakistan and other Islamic country&#039;s. We try our best to put to genie back in the bottle but it Blows Back at us finally on Sept 11th 2001.

And to Kevin; I find your insights on the possibility of a large scale internet attack to be absolutely frightening. Think about HOW MUCH WE ALL DEPEND ON IT. I&#039;m not even talking about the economic consequences of it not being available, but the IMMENSE amount of collaboration and information sharing that goes on. 

I can guarantee that I&#039;d be among the masses clamouring for my salvation, it it wasn&#039;t for the internet. The internet has freed more minds and bodies from the Matrix than any thing else combined bar none. Without it, all the bridges and collaborations that have been bourne from it, would collapse into pieces.

How would we all communicate for Christ&#039;s sake.. I don&#039;t even know who or where you people are???

Game over..

Robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin and David, two very good posts.</p>
<p>First David, I like your idea that Jesus was used much like al quada is being used today. We introduce radical islam into Afghanistan in the late 70&#8217;s as a way to counteract Russia&#8217;s influence in the area. This breeds ACTUAL radical Islam and it spreads to places like Pakistan and other Islamic country&#8217;s. We try our best to put to genie back in the bottle but it Blows Back at us finally on Sept 11th 2001.</p>
<p>And to Kevin; I find your insights on the possibility of a large scale internet attack to be absolutely frightening. Think about HOW MUCH WE ALL DEPEND ON IT. I&#8217;m not even talking about the economic consequences of it not being available, but the IMMENSE amount of collaboration and information sharing that goes on. </p>
<p>I can guarantee that I&#8217;d be among the masses clamouring for my salvation, it it wasn&#8217;t for the internet. The internet has freed more minds and bodies from the Matrix than any thing else combined bar none. Without it, all the bridges and collaborations that have been bourne from it, would collapse into pieces.</p>
<p>How would we all communicate for Christ&#8217;s sake.. I don&#8217;t even know who or where you people are???</p>
<p>Game over..</p>
<p>Robert</p>
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		<title>By: fallout11</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=320&#038;cpage=1#comment-1978</link>
		<dc:creator>fallout11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent analysis, Kevin, and right in line with the thinking of other intelligent commentators/authors/bloggers. 
Again, to draw on historical analogy, powerful moneyed factions within the Senate are in disagreement with the chimperor and his praetorians, and their (now stinkin&#039; obvious) plan/course of action. Time will tell if they can rein it in, or will simply be caught in the ensuing carnage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis, Kevin, and right in line with the thinking of other intelligent commentators/authors/bloggers.<br />
Again, to draw on historical analogy, powerful moneyed factions within the Senate are in disagreement with the chimperor and his praetorians, and their (now stinkin&#8217; obvious) plan/course of action. Time will tell if they can rein it in, or will simply be caught in the ensuing carnage.</p>
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