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	<title>Comments on: Welcome to Cyberwar Country, USA</title>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=2030&#038;cpage=1#comment-12118</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you could see the half of it. If there is a cyberwar going on - in my universe- its between the numbnuts who can&#039;t move their mouse to click the right button to prevent access to NNSA (nuclear and classified) computer systems. 
For me its not really a cyberwar, its a war to see who can be the most STUPID.
http://www.ig.energy.gov/documents/CalendarYear2004/ig-0645.pdf
Recommendations on cyber access still open since 2001!
Its a beautiful thing really. How effing dumb can people be? Myself included, but at least I put my shoes on the right feet.
Being a Monday morning quarterback SUCKS!
But here you go,my life in a nutshell. Preaching, trying to do some teaching. Essentially spinning my wheels in the sand.
http://www.ig.energy.gov/reports.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you could see the half of it. If there is a cyberwar going on &#8211; in my universe- its between the numbnuts who can&#8217;t move their mouse to click the right button to prevent access to NNSA (nuclear and classified) computer systems.<br />
For me its not really a cyberwar, its a war to see who can be the most STUPID.<br />
<a href="http://www.ig.energy.gov/documents/CalendarYear2004/ig-0645.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ig.energy.gov/docum.....g-0645.pdf</a><br />
Recommendations on cyber access still open since 2001!<br />
Its a beautiful thing really. How effing dumb can people be? Myself included, but at least I put my shoes on the right feet.<br />
Being a Monday morning quarterback SUCKS!<br />
But here you go,my life in a nutshell. Preaching, trying to do some teaching. Essentially spinning my wheels in the sand.<br />
<a href="http://www.ig.energy.gov/reports.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ig.energy.gov/reports.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Loveandlight</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=2030&#038;cpage=1#comment-12112</link>
		<dc:creator>Loveandlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure there are not actual terrorists, but they might not be as strong as we&#039;ve been led to believe.  They might not be messing with the electronic infrastructure because they know we&#039;d be after them &lt;b&gt;for real,&lt;/b&gt; as opposed using them as justification to invade countries not actually involved in their predations.  If we had really wanted Osama Bin Laden, we could have gotten him in late 2001/early 2002.  But we didn&#039;t, and the old fellow may be long-dead now, for all we know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure there are not actual terrorists, but they might not be as strong as we&#8217;ve been led to believe.  They might not be messing with the electronic infrastructure because they know we&#8217;d be after them <b>for real,</b> as opposed using them as justification to invade countries not actually involved in their predations.  If we had really wanted Osama Bin Laden, we could have gotten him in late 2001/early 2002.  But we didn&#8217;t, and the old fellow may be long-dead now, for all we know.</p>
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		<title>By: williamspd</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=2030&#038;cpage=1#comment-12110</link>
		<dc:creator>williamspd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it. A &#039;cyberwar&#039; outfit with one physical location? Not a distributed, multi-routed setup?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it. A &#8216;cyberwar&#8217; outfit with one physical location? Not a distributed, multi-routed setup?</p>
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		<title>By: thucydides</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=2030&#038;cpage=1#comment-12108</link>
		<dc:creator>thucydides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, it&#039;s the Air Force infosec boys playing with toys again.

I&#039;d be willing to bet that it&#039;s mostly the same crew of ex-AF goons behind FEDCIRC/US-CERT and VA-CIRC who are involved with this, regardless of Gen. Lord&#039;s background and motivations.

There is a degree of collusion between the parties involved that is unimaginable unless you&#039;ve witnessed it.  Former US Air Force (and other .mil/.gov agencies to a lesser extent) information security personnel, specific major IT security companies like ISS (now part of IBM), politically-minded officers and SES-grade federal bureaucrats who ride this wave to their own benefit, and major IT/defense contractors (Lockheed, Northrup-Grumman, SAIC, CSC, GD) who funnel money out of the federal government via these contracts are all paying guests to the boondoggle party.

John Pike knows what he&#039;s talking about when he says this is so much gee-whiz flackery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, it&#8217;s the Air Force infosec boys playing with toys again.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be willing to bet that it&#8217;s mostly the same crew of ex-AF goons behind FEDCIRC/US-CERT and VA-CIRC who are involved with this, regardless of Gen. Lord&#8217;s background and motivations.</p>
<p>There is a degree of collusion between the parties involved that is unimaginable unless you&#8217;ve witnessed it.  Former US Air Force (and other .mil/.gov agencies to a lesser extent) information security personnel, specific major IT security companies like ISS (now part of IBM), politically-minded officers and SES-grade federal bureaucrats who ride this wave to their own benefit, and major IT/defense contractors (Lockheed, Northrup-Grumman, SAIC, CSC, GD) who funnel money out of the federal government via these contracts are all paying guests to the boondoggle party.</p>
<p>John Pike knows what he&#8217;s talking about when he says this is so much gee-whiz flackery.</p>
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		<title>By: Zuma</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=2030&#038;cpage=1#comment-12107</link>
		<dc:creator>Zuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is so much more to this than I know that it boggles the imagination -while it inflames it.

There is a shock and awe factor to the current birth of a total surveillance world. What is being built, and it&#039;s interneccine squabbles during which (such as how much the UK will share with us and so forth), is by it&#039;s nature meant to be as much unknown to us as possible. All this growing cyber defense defends all that activity and it&#039;s growing aggregate database.

On top of which lies the part of the original PNAC agenda to totally, and ever so slowly -like slow ice -militarize and monopolize the web. Certainly to totally oversee and control it in minute detail. (I think all that a pipe dream but regardlessly efforts will be made, yes?)

We don&#039;t know what we don&#039;t know save by silhouettes, much as a far off unseen planet betrays it&#039;s presence by the void of stars in it&#039;s silhouette.

Things like the storm worm bot or the cut cables or the NSA / telecom collusions do hint for me things *not* occurring as I might have suspected or feared, staving a runaway imagination to some degree for me. I&#039;m pretty sure there&#039;s no completely unknown web as big as the one we know.

But I am sure there are packet radio webs I don&#039;t know of, even lesser landline/dial-in networks perhaps still in existence, and so on, where skirmishes may be waging even as info is passed and exchanged as if through small but significant hubs.

It does boggle and inflame my imagination. I&#039;m no geek or have IT interests or involvement, but when stories like this pass by -whoof! The immensity of the subject overwhelms. Like Mr. Pike said and you so well highlighted, it&#039;s hard to tell what&#039;s going on. Deja vu struck as I typed that. This subject always leaves me feeling there&#039;s yet one more thing to be said yet never recalled.

Could it be the future of what may yet be hardwired into our very processor chips themselves? Nah nah, I don&#039;t even want to speculate.

Brrr...
Shock and awe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is so much more to this than I know that it boggles the imagination -while it inflames it.</p>
<p>There is a shock and awe factor to the current birth of a total surveillance world. What is being built, and it&#8217;s interneccine squabbles during which (such as how much the UK will share with us and so forth), is by it&#8217;s nature meant to be as much unknown to us as possible. All this growing cyber defense defends all that activity and it&#8217;s growing aggregate database.</p>
<p>On top of which lies the part of the original PNAC agenda to totally, and ever so slowly -like slow ice -militarize and monopolize the web. Certainly to totally oversee and control it in minute detail. (I think all that a pipe dream but regardlessly efforts will be made, yes?)</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know what we don&#8217;t know save by silhouettes, much as a far off unseen planet betrays it&#8217;s presence by the void of stars in it&#8217;s silhouette.</p>
<p>Things like the storm worm bot or the cut cables or the NSA / telecom collusions do hint for me things *not* occurring as I might have suspected or feared, staving a runaway imagination to some degree for me. I&#8217;m pretty sure there&#8217;s no completely unknown web as big as the one we know.</p>
<p>But I am sure there are packet radio webs I don&#8217;t know of, even lesser landline/dial-in networks perhaps still in existence, and so on, where skirmishes may be waging even as info is passed and exchanged as if through small but significant hubs.</p>
<p>It does boggle and inflame my imagination. I&#8217;m no geek or have IT interests or involvement, but when stories like this pass by -whoof! The immensity of the subject overwhelms. Like Mr. Pike said and you so well highlighted, it&#8217;s hard to tell what&#8217;s going on. Deja vu struck as I typed that. This subject always leaves me feeling there&#8217;s yet one more thing to be said yet never recalled.</p>
<p>Could it be the future of what may yet be hardwired into our very processor chips themselves? Nah nah, I don&#8217;t even want to speculate.</p>
<p>Brrr&#8230;<br />
Shock and awe.</p>
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		<title>By: pdugan</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=2030&#038;cpage=1#comment-12106</link>
		<dc:creator>pdugan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what they have InfraGuard for. However, the intractable problem with cords and pipes is they&#039;re   as long as they need to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what they have InfraGuard for. However, the intractable problem with cords and pipes is they&#8217;re   as long as they need to be.</p>
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