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	<title>Comments on: Minot Air Force Base Airman Died While on Leave</title>
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		<title>By: AFwife91MSFS</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-11111</link>
		<dc:creator>AFwife91MSFS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey everyone! I&#039;m an AF wife stationed in Minot. The  5th Bomb wing DOES NOT protect the majority of the Nukes here. The 91st Space wing does. The 5th Security Forces Sqaudron is mostly Law Enforcement and base security. The WSA holds mostly Ammo anyway. Check out the clown incident on India 9 instead or anything happening at FE Warren and Grand Forks too.  There is too much going on here to say that there&#039;s a conspiracy on this. If that happened every time something happened there would be a lot of car accidents and stuff . How about we add SRA Duhammel to that as well then? K? Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey everyone! I&#8217;m an AF wife stationed in Minot. The  5th Bomb wing DOES NOT protect the majority of the Nukes here. The 91st Space wing does. The 5th Security Forces Sqaudron is mostly Law Enforcement and base security. The WSA holds mostly Ammo anyway. Check out the clown incident on India 9 instead or anything happening at FE Warren and Grand Forks too.  There is too much going on here to say that there&#8217;s a conspiracy on this. If that happened every time something happened there would be a lot of car accidents and stuff . How about we add SRA Duhammel to that as well then? K? Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-11016</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ trueaz

Do you have anything to add, then, about the B-52 incident, or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ trueaz</p>
<p>Do you have anything to add, then, about the B-52 incident, or not?</p>
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		<title>By: trueaz</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-11014</link>
		<dc:creator>trueaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you would have even read the definition on COMSEC you would have realized it applies ONLY to telecommunication protection measures such as monitored radio frequencies and secure/non-secure telephone lines and hardware protection such as the use of black boxes. 
OPSEC incorporates COMSEC, COMPUSEC, INFOSEC, IA, INFOCON EMSEC as well as other security disciplines.

AFI10-701   30 SEPTEMBER 2005
Definition. OPSEC is a process of identifying, analyzing and controlling critical information indicating friendly actions attendant to military operations and other activities to:       (a) Identify those actions that can be observed by adversary intelligence systems.       (b) Determine what indicators adversary intelligence systems might obtain that could be interpreted or  pieced together to derive critical information in time to be useful to adversaries.       (c) Select and execute measures that eliminate or reduce to an acceptable level the vulnerabilities of  friendly actions to adversary exploitation. (JP 3-54).  OPSEC is a process and not a collection of specific rules and instructions that can be applied to every operation. OPSEC must be closely integrated and synchronized with other influence operations capabilities and all aspects of the protected operations.

AFI 33-204   1 APRIL 2004 
Terms
 Communications Security (COMSEC)â€”Measures and controls taken to deny unauthorized persons information derived from telecommunications and to ensure the authenticity of such communications. (AFPD 33-2)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you would have even read the definition on COMSEC you would have realized it applies ONLY to telecommunication protection measures such as monitored radio frequencies and secure/non-secure telephone lines and hardware protection such as the use of black boxes.<br />
OPSEC incorporates COMSEC, COMPUSEC, INFOSEC, IA, INFOCON EMSEC as well as other security disciplines.</p>
<p>AFI10-701   30 SEPTEMBER 2005<br />
Definition. OPSEC is a process of identifying, analyzing and controlling critical information indicating friendly actions attendant to military operations and other activities to:       (a) Identify those actions that can be observed by adversary intelligence systems.       (b) Determine what indicators adversary intelligence systems might obtain that could be interpreted or  pieced together to derive critical information in time to be useful to adversaries.       (c) Select and execute measures that eliminate or reduce to an acceptable level the vulnerabilities of  friendly actions to adversary exploitation. (JP 3-54).  OPSEC is a process and not a collection of specific rules and instructions that can be applied to every operation. OPSEC must be closely integrated and synchronized with other influence operations capabilities and all aspects of the protected operations.</p>
<p>AFI 33-204   1 APRIL 2004<br />
Terms<br />
 Communications Security (COMSEC)â€”Measures and controls taken to deny unauthorized persons information derived from telecommunications and to ensure the authenticity of such communications. (AFPD 33-2)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-11009</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_security

Communications security (COMSEC): Measures and controls taken to deny unauthorized persons information derived from telecommunications and ensure the authenticity of such telecommunications. Communications security includes cryptosecurity, transmission security, emission security, traffic-flow security. and physical security of COMSEC equipment.

Hope that helps.</description>
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<p>Communications security (COMSEC): Measures and controls taken to deny unauthorized persons information derived from telecommunications and ensure the authenticity of such telecommunications. Communications security includes cryptosecurity, transmission security, emission security, traffic-flow security. and physical security of COMSEC equipment.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: trueaz</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-11008</link>
		<dc:creator>trueaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, it&#039;s OPSEC, Friend. And second, I&#039;m not revealing any information that you can&#039;t google for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, it&#8217;s OPSEC, Friend. And second, I&#8217;m not revealing any information that you can&#8217;t google for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-10998</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ trueaz

Friend, you might want to take your COMSEC protocols a bit more seriously. I&#039;d appreciate any insights you wanted to provide, but this isn&#039;t the way, for your own safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ trueaz</p>
<p>Friend, you might want to take your COMSEC protocols a bit more seriously. I&#8217;d appreciate any insights you wanted to provide, but this isn&#8217;t the way, for your own safety.</p>
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		<title>By: trueaz</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-10997</link>
		<dc:creator>trueaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, those dates are correct. Those 2 died in July. I was at the briefings. Also, I want to point out that  one of the articles site 2 deaths about airman from Barksdale AFB, in Louisiana as well as Captain Freuh&#039;s death. He was actually stationed in Florida as a Special Ops officer. So those 3 deaths can&#039;t really be counted against this whole conspiracy theory. Todd&#039;s death is the only death that has occurred after the mishap up here in Minot.
I&#039;d hate to burst everyone&#039;s conspiracy bubble, but there are about 2000 personnel on base that know what&#039;s going on. Probably at least 100 who know to the &quot;T&quot; what happened. Not to mention spouses and so forth. That&#039;s a big hit list right there. Guess I&#039;m on it, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, those dates are correct. Those 2 died in July. I was at the briefings. Also, I want to point out that  one of the articles site 2 deaths about airman from Barksdale AFB, in Louisiana as well as Captain Freuh&#8217;s death. He was actually stationed in Florida as a Special Ops officer. So those 3 deaths can&#8217;t really be counted against this whole conspiracy theory. Todd&#8217;s death is the only death that has occurred after the mishap up here in Minot.<br />
I&#8217;d hate to burst everyone&#8217;s conspiracy bubble, but there are about 2000 personnel on base that know what&#8217;s going on. Probably at least 100 who know to the &#8220;T&#8221; what happened. Not to mention spouses and so forth. That&#8217;s a big hit list right there. Guess I&#8217;m on it, too.</p>
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		<title>By: genejohn</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-10994</link>
		<dc:creator>genejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did someone make a mistake on the July 5 and July 20 dates. The nukes were transferred on August 30. The Sept 15 and Sept 20 dates make sense. If the July dates are correct, please enlighten us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did someone make a mistake on the July 5 and July 20 dates. The nukes were transferred on August 30. The Sept 15 and Sept 20 dates make sense. If the July dates are correct, please enlighten us.</p>
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		<title>By: rosito</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-10992</link>
		<dc:creator>rosito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tempting as it is to find a conspiracy here the facts provided do nothing to dispel the default theory of chance events.  Furthermore, there is insufficient data given to even test the theory.

It is impossible to guage whether the 6 deaths are significantly outside the predictions of chance without a lot more information.  

First, there is no indication of the size of the sample.  How many personnel work in the area or are conceivably connnected with the event?  Are the 6 who died the only 6 who were involved in the proceedings or are they part of a group of 20,000 individuals?

There is no control group.  There is no way to know if these deaths are out of the ordinary unless the figure is compared with the number of deaths in this group which occured during the same time span last year, and the year before that, and the year before that.  If 6 or more people from this group died during this time span in the previous year then it is unlikely that there is anything special about the six deaths reported here.  It is almost always possible to find a connection between perfect strangers if you searching for it especially in retrospect.  

There is no plausable reason advanced for why these particular people, and not others, might have been murdered.  The thread is implying that they were murdered, isn&#039;t it?  

Finally, no-one has advanced any theory about the mechanism by which these individuals were murdered which makes more sense than the mechanism of chance.  Only one case is reported in any detail and that one would be very hard to attribute to anything other than accident.  If, however, each one of these people were found shot through the head in execution style then the theory of accident would be much less plausable.  

To summarize, a conspiracy theory can only be applied to these events if the principles of valid statistical analysis and logical deduction are ignored.  In blunt terms, it is not an intelligent theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tempting as it is to find a conspiracy here the facts provided do nothing to dispel the default theory of chance events.  Furthermore, there is insufficient data given to even test the theory.</p>
<p>It is impossible to guage whether the 6 deaths are significantly outside the predictions of chance without a lot more information.  </p>
<p>First, there is no indication of the size of the sample.  How many personnel work in the area or are conceivably connnected with the event?  Are the 6 who died the only 6 who were involved in the proceedings or are they part of a group of 20,000 individuals?</p>
<p>There is no control group.  There is no way to know if these deaths are out of the ordinary unless the figure is compared with the number of deaths in this group which occured during the same time span last year, and the year before that, and the year before that.  If 6 or more people from this group died during this time span in the previous year then it is unlikely that there is anything special about the six deaths reported here.  It is almost always possible to find a connection between perfect strangers if you searching for it especially in retrospect.  </p>
<p>There is no plausable reason advanced for why these particular people, and not others, might have been murdered.  The thread is implying that they were murdered, isn&#8217;t it?  </p>
<p>Finally, no-one has advanced any theory about the mechanism by which these individuals were murdered which makes more sense than the mechanism of chance.  Only one case is reported in any detail and that one would be very hard to attribute to anything other than accident.  If, however, each one of these people were found shot through the head in execution style then the theory of accident would be much less plausable.  </p>
<p>To summarize, a conspiracy theory can only be applied to these events if the principles of valid statistical analysis and logical deduction are ignored.  In blunt terms, it is not an intelligent theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-10903</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m late in the comment stage of this story. What a strange co-inky-dink that soldier Blue died, I surmise, after telling this strange story to the Army Times. 

From my life I know that the resume Tito found is true so far as it concerns the following:
&quot;Maintained security for Department of Energy overland shipments of Protection Level I (PL I) weapons and critical components.&quot; DOE is by land. Air Force by air. I&#039;m not an authority per se, but the Air Force moves nuclear weapons all the time, but not in this way!

Interesting though that the &quot;mistaken shipment&quot; chose the WMD-80 (if memory serves me) to ship. This is a system that is proving to be more cost prohibitive to refurbish - moreso than any other nuke. A report to that effect is on the DOE/OIG website.

The base, if they had foreknowledge of the shipment, was most likely saying &quot;good riddance to bad rubbish.&quot; We&#039;re taking out the trash so to speak. Happens all the time with other high explosive weaponry - rocket motors, etc. BUT NOT WITH NUKES.

For myself, I think this story is one that needs stay alive. Why does a person have to die for exposing such a thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m late in the comment stage of this story. What a strange co-inky-dink that soldier Blue died, I surmise, after telling this strange story to the Army Times. </p>
<p>From my life I know that the resume Tito found is true so far as it concerns the following:<br />
&#8220;Maintained security for Department of Energy overland shipments of Protection Level I (PL I) weapons and critical components.&#8221; DOE is by land. Air Force by air. I&#8217;m not an authority per se, but the Air Force moves nuclear weapons all the time, but not in this way!</p>
<p>Interesting though that the &#8220;mistaken shipment&#8221; chose the WMD-80 (if memory serves me) to ship. This is a system that is proving to be more cost prohibitive to refurbish &#8211; moreso than any other nuke. A report to that effect is on the DOE/OIG website.</p>
<p>The base, if they had foreknowledge of the shipment, was most likely saying &#8220;good riddance to bad rubbish.&#8221; We&#8217;re taking out the trash so to speak. Happens all the time with other high explosive weaponry &#8211; rocket motors, etc. BUT NOT WITH NUKES.</p>
<p>For myself, I think this story is one that needs stay alive. Why does a person have to die for exposing such a thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-10889</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, when I wrote, &quot;Airman 1st Class Todd Blue was assigned to the unit that provides security for that bomber wing at Minot Air Force base,&quot; I based that statement on:

minot.af.mil --- Units --- 5th Bomb Wing Units. On minot.af.mil/units/5bwunits.asp, you see:

&lt;em&gt;The 5th Mission Support Group... consist of the 5th Civil Engineer Squadron, 5th Communications Squadron, 5th Force Support Squadron and &lt;strong&gt;5th Security Forces Squadron&lt;/strong&gt;, 5th Contracting Squadron and 5th Logistics Readiness Squadron.&lt;/em&gt;

Tito&#039;s find backs up the obvious assumption that a security unit that is assigned to a B-52 bomber wing is going to be responsible for nuclear weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, when I wrote, &#8220;Airman 1st Class Todd Blue was assigned to the unit that provides security for that bomber wing at Minot Air Force base,&#8221; I based that statement on:</p>
<p>minot.af.mil &#8212; Units &#8212; 5th Bomb Wing Units. On minot.af.mil/units/5bwunits.asp, you see:</p>
<p><em>The 5th Mission Support Group&#8230; consist of the 5th Civil Engineer Squadron, 5th Communications Squadron, 5th Force Support Squadron and <strong>5th Security Forces Squadron</strong>, 5th Contracting Squadron and 5th Logistics Readiness Squadron.</em></p>
<p>Tito&#8217;s find backs up the obvious assumption that a security unit that is assigned to a B-52 bomber wing is going to be responsible for nuclear weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: tito</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-10885</link>
		<dc:creator>tito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.minot.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123067840
says
Airman 1st Class Todd Blue, 20, was a response force member assigned to the 5th Security Forces Squadron. 

googling &quot;5th security forces&quot; air force &quot;response force&quot;

brings up a link to this guys resume
http://smarthunt.com/resume.cfm?portfolioid=34653

Reading this other guy&#039;s resume, he references his experience serving in Minot ND  as including

Â· Protected nuclear and conventional weapons storage areas along with B-52 and all other transient aircraft assigned to restricted areas.


Â· Maintained security for Department of Energy overland shipments of Protection Level I (PL I) weapons and critical components.


Â· Provided security for alert, non-alert, transient aircraft and a PL I Weapons Storage Area (WSA).
Â· Regularly inspected base and WSA facilities to ensure compliance with security standards.
Â· Responded to alarms inside and outside of the WSA and took necessary actions to neutralize threats directed at resources and personnel.
Â· Controlled entry and maintained security for close-in security areas. Responsible for entry control of vehicles, equipment and personnel to PL I WSA.
culvert/concealment checks of PL I WSA to deter and detect threats.

I know this is not the resume of the deceased, but it is reasonable to assume that these duties would be within the same scope (or at least neighborhood) as they served in a similarly titled unit on the Minot base.  

So....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.minot.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123067840" rel="nofollow">http://www.minot.af.mil/news/s.....=123067840</a><br />
says<br />
Airman 1st Class Todd Blue, 20, was a response force member assigned to the 5th Security Forces Squadron. </p>
<p>googling &#8220;5th security forces&#8221; air force &#8220;response force&#8221;</p>
<p>brings up a link to this guys resume<br />
<a href="http://smarthunt.com/resume.cfm?portfolioid=34653" rel="nofollow">http://smarthunt.com/resume.cfm?portfolioid=34653</a></p>
<p>Reading this other guy&#8217;s resume, he references his experience serving in Minot ND  as including</p>
<p>Â· Protected nuclear and conventional weapons storage areas along with B-52 and all other transient aircraft assigned to restricted areas.</p>
<p>Â· Maintained security for Department of Energy overland shipments of Protection Level I (PL I) weapons and critical components.</p>
<p>Â· Provided security for alert, non-alert, transient aircraft and a PL I Weapons Storage Area (WSA).<br />
Â· Regularly inspected base and WSA facilities to ensure compliance with security standards.<br />
Â· Responded to alarms inside and outside of the WSA and took necessary actions to neutralize threats directed at resources and personnel.<br />
Â· Controlled entry and maintained security for close-in security areas. Responsible for entry control of vehicles, equipment and personnel to PL I WSA.<br />
culvert/concealment checks of PL I WSA to deter and detect threats.</p>
<p>I know this is not the resume of the deceased, but it is reasonable to assume that these duties would be within the same scope (or at least neighborhood) as they served in a similarly titled unit on the Minot base.  </p>
<p>So&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: thegiant</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-10881</link>
		<dc:creator>thegiant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can anyonew provide data verifiying the unit that Todd Blue belonged to and/or what his specific job was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can anyonew provide data verifiying the unit that Todd Blue belonged to and/or what his specific job was?</p>
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		<title>By: Loveandlight</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-10880</link>
		<dc:creator>Loveandlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, this is blood-chilling, to be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, this is blood-chilling, to be sure.</p>
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		<title>By: anothernut</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299&#038;cpage=1#comment-10879</link>
		<dc:creator>anothernut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our society and the lapdog press have been so aversion-conditioned to treat everything as a coincidence (as opposed to a conspiracy), the PTB don&#039;t even bother to be careful. Have another paxil, everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our society and the lapdog press have been so aversion-conditioned to treat everything as a coincidence (as opposed to a conspiracy), the PTB don&#8217;t even bother to be careful. Have another paxil, everybody.</p>
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