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		<title>By: il</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-13601</link>
		<dc:creator>il</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Peak oil a myth, claims geoscientist&quot;

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/200807/s2311956.htm


Dr Peter McCabe&#039;s details:

http://www.csiro.au/people/Peter.McCabe.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Peak oil a myth, claims geoscientist&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/200807/s2311956.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/rural/ne.....311956.htm</a></p>
<p>Dr Peter McCabe&#8217;s details:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.csiro.au/people/Peter.McCabe.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.csiro.au/people/Peter.McCabe.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; Energy Scarcity? Give Me a Break</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-1273</link>
		<dc:creator>cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; Energy Scarcity? Give Me a Break</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Related: Is Peak Oil a Faith Based Collapse Theory? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Is Peak Oil a Kill Shot? &#171; The Moral Equivalent of War</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-1263</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Peak Oil a Kill Shot? &#171; The Moral Equivalent of War</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is Peak Oil a Kill&#160;Shot?  Kevin at Cryptogon has an interesting post this week on whether peak oil is a &#8216;faith-based collapse theory.&#8217; : Stories like the one below, from the BBC, reinforce the nagging fear I have that Peak Oil just isnâ€™t going to be the kill shot that many of us think itâ€™s going to be. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is Peak Oil a Kill&nbsp;Shot?  Kevin at Cryptogon has an interesting post this week on whether peak oil is a &#8216;faith-based collapse theory.&#8217; : Stories like the one below, from the BBC, reinforce the nagging fear I have that Peak Oil just isnâ€™t going to be the kill shot that many of us think itâ€™s going to be. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; All Electric Vehicles and the Concept of Enough</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>cryptogon.com &#187; Archives &#187; All Electric Vehicles and the Concept of Enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The all electric SUV is almost here! While it&#8217;s not quite the electric Hummer I wrote about recently, what did I tell ya!?! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: fallout</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>fallout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was nice to see Matt Savinar and Cherenkov again. Hi guys. Such a small world.

JurisDoctorofDoom, you and I must think much alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was nice to see Matt Savinar and Cherenkov again. Hi guys. Such a small world.</p>
<p>JurisDoctorofDoom, you and I must think much alike.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Savinar</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Savinar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 05:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;like a complete miracle to me.&quot;

kevin,

Have you read much of Jay&#039;s theories regarding human nature? 

My theory is that since the energy (inclusive fitness) pie was growing, the reluctance to use nukes was high. But once the pie starts shrinking . . . then those chimp genes come out. Problem is the chimp genes did not evolve to understant the power of nuclear weapons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;like a complete miracle to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>kevin,</p>
<p>Have you read much of Jay&#8217;s theories regarding human nature? </p>
<p>My theory is that since the energy (inclusive fitness) pie was growing, the reluctance to use nukes was high. But once the pie starts shrinking . . . then those chimp genes come out. Problem is the chimp genes did not evolve to understant the power of nuclear weapons</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-431</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

  Peak oil faith based? Surely as the sun shines Peak Oil will occur. Faith based? No,Peak Oil is a REALITY. But HOW Peak Oil will play out.. whether its a scene from the Mad Max movies, or something subtler and drawn out over time is anyones guess right now, I think. I am preparing for either end of this broad spectrum in my life. Food, shelter and water. Two weeks worth at least.
  Truly though, I hope for a &quot;managed&quot; crash. I spend lots of time driving in my Prius. And every day wonder what the hell all the people in all of these cars are going to do when they have to learn how to WALK to WHAT store for food, let alone how to procure all will need to survive.Its mind boggling. I guess that&#039;s why I hope for a &quot;managed&quot; crash. I&#039;m not better than any.
  Consider &quot;The They.&quot; The secret societies of the Illumnanti, Opus Dei,Masons,and others that have yet managed not to be named that control the NEWS and the MESSAGE to the masses.
  I find your commentary on alternative creative energy sources most refreshing; a breath of fresh air in this stagnant box THEY have put us into. I think on the patents and technologies that have been bought up by the THEY, eg. the electric car, a car that runs on water. THE CULT of OIL. 
  The problem I think is that we don&#039;t know who the players are. They need to be exposed. John Doe needs to be shocked out of his white, clorox bleached jockey underwear by SOMETHING, SOMEONE, I don&#039;t know what it will be. Wasn&#039;t Hurricane Katrina enough? Or what about in the northwest this past weekend? 1.5 million with out power. Somewhere along the line here I think the message the planet Earth keeps sending us will cause more than a few to BLINK.
 Check out Weather Wars. THEY are at work in stranger ways than we know. I recommend reading Scott&#039;s thing on Katrina. Scroll down to his postings - its pretty amazing what he wrote on Katrina.
http://www.weatherwars.info/index.php
 It&#039;s going to be a wild ride from here on out. I am heartened that you left &quot;Dodge&quot; for a place on the planet that is predicted to be &quot;protected&quot; from the ravages to come. Yey, verily,there&#039;s going to be a lot of &quot;religion&quot; surfacing on this planet earth anon, and whether its caused by the housing bubble, a stock market crash, or what not, its always better to have your own LAND, TOOLS, WATER, SHELTER. Things that the Banks can&#039;t take away from thee.
 Be well - HAPPY SOLSTICE! I&#039;ll be building a bonfire tonight EST about 10 p.m. to celebrate the return of the LIGHT on this, the SHORTEST day.
 Jesus was born a Virgo, for Christ&#039;s sake.Not from a Virgin. HAR. Another example of mixing up the truth for the desired message.
 No wonder this world is so screwed up. Anyone with a brain knows you can&#039;t have a birth without the ACT of man on woman. And for this I should be burned at the stake?
 I say unto you, who Killed the Electric Car?
 Kevin, I like the way you&#039;re thinking. When I can figure out how to contribute without using Paypal I&#039;ll contribute. 
Thank you and have a Merry Christmas.
Will check in before the New Year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>  Peak oil faith based? Surely as the sun shines Peak Oil will occur. Faith based? No,Peak Oil is a REALITY. But HOW Peak Oil will play out.. whether its a scene from the Mad Max movies, or something subtler and drawn out over time is anyones guess right now, I think. I am preparing for either end of this broad spectrum in my life. Food, shelter and water. Two weeks worth at least.<br />
  Truly though, I hope for a &#8220;managed&#8221; crash. I spend lots of time driving in my Prius. And every day wonder what the hell all the people in all of these cars are going to do when they have to learn how to WALK to WHAT store for food, let alone how to procure all will need to survive.Its mind boggling. I guess that&#8217;s why I hope for a &#8220;managed&#8221; crash. I&#8217;m not better than any.<br />
  Consider &#8220;The They.&#8221; The secret societies of the Illumnanti, Opus Dei,Masons,and others that have yet managed not to be named that control the NEWS and the MESSAGE to the masses.<br />
  I find your commentary on alternative creative energy sources most refreshing; a breath of fresh air in this stagnant box THEY have put us into. I think on the patents and technologies that have been bought up by the THEY, eg. the electric car, a car that runs on water. THE CULT of OIL.<br />
  The problem I think is that we don&#8217;t know who the players are. They need to be exposed. John Doe needs to be shocked out of his white, clorox bleached jockey underwear by SOMETHING, SOMEONE, I don&#8217;t know what it will be. Wasn&#8217;t Hurricane Katrina enough? Or what about in the northwest this past weekend? 1.5 million with out power. Somewhere along the line here I think the message the planet Earth keeps sending us will cause more than a few to BLINK.<br />
 Check out Weather Wars. THEY are at work in stranger ways than we know. I recommend reading Scott&#8217;s thing on Katrina. Scroll down to his postings &#8211; its pretty amazing what he wrote on Katrina.<br />
<a href="http://www.weatherwars.info/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.weatherwars.info/index.php</a><br />
 It&#8217;s going to be a wild ride from here on out. I am heartened that you left &#8220;Dodge&#8221; for a place on the planet that is predicted to be &#8220;protected&#8221; from the ravages to come. Yey, verily,there&#8217;s going to be a lot of &#8220;religion&#8221; surfacing on this planet earth anon, and whether its caused by the housing bubble, a stock market crash, or what not, its always better to have your own LAND, TOOLS, WATER, SHELTER. Things that the Banks can&#8217;t take away from thee.<br />
 Be well &#8211; HAPPY SOLSTICE! I&#8217;ll be building a bonfire tonight EST about 10 p.m. to celebrate the return of the LIGHT on this, the SHORTEST day.<br />
 Jesus was born a Virgo, for Christ&#8217;s sake.Not from a Virgin. HAR. Another example of mixing up the truth for the desired message.<br />
 No wonder this world is so screwed up. Anyone with a brain knows you can&#8217;t have a birth without the ACT of man on woman. And for this I should be burned at the stake?<br />
 I say unto you, who Killed the Electric Car?<br />
 Kevin, I like the way you&#8217;re thinking. When I can figure out how to contribute without using Paypal I&#8217;ll contribute.<br />
Thank you and have a Merry Christmas.<br />
Will check in before the New Year.</p>
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		<title>By: Shep</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-430</link>
		<dc:creator>Shep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 03:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m somewhat disappointed in the conclusions drawn in this post, Kevin. While Peak Oil might not be the ultimate &quot;kill shot,&quot; governments reactions to the advent of scarcity certainly will.

Never mind all of those alternate energy sources that you named. If the ruling elite had intended for a somewhat orderly transition to such sources, they would have been worked into the system long ago. No, what the elites DO want is collapse.

Never forget that among their top priorities is to significantly reduce global population. People aren&#039;t going to stop screwing and having babies so the only way to accomplish the stated goal is through a massive die-off. Can you imagine a better time for this plan to be enacted?

So, no hi-tech solar panels for the masses. Might as well not even titillate people with that possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m somewhat disappointed in the conclusions drawn in this post, Kevin. While Peak Oil might not be the ultimate &#8220;kill shot,&#8221; governments reactions to the advent of scarcity certainly will.</p>
<p>Never mind all of those alternate energy sources that you named. If the ruling elite had intended for a somewhat orderly transition to such sources, they would have been worked into the system long ago. No, what the elites DO want is collapse.</p>
<p>Never forget that among their top priorities is to significantly reduce global population. People aren&#8217;t going to stop screwing and having babies so the only way to accomplish the stated goal is through a massive die-off. Can you imagine a better time for this plan to be enacted?</p>
<p>So, no hi-tech solar panels for the masses. Might as well not even titillate people with that possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been thinking similar things myself lately though from a very different perspective. Bible prophecy talks of power centralization, a new, seemingly cashless, financial system, a corrupt marriage between religious and financial power, wars in the middle east that will wipe out 2/3 of the population overnight, of a meteorite striking the ocean, the military rise of the &#039;Kings of the East&#039;, of happenings in Israel being a thorn in the side of the world, of the earth growing weary of the burden of humanity, of a 10 &#039;state&#039; empire and a lot more but it also seems to say that in the times right before the end of this world system we know and love (ha ha) there will still exist a fairly cohesive social structure, one sufficiently functional as to allow the continued operation of armies and mass-communication systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been thinking similar things myself lately though from a very different perspective. Bible prophecy talks of power centralization, a new, seemingly cashless, financial system, a corrupt marriage between religious and financial power, wars in the middle east that will wipe out 2/3 of the population overnight, of a meteorite striking the ocean, the military rise of the &#8216;Kings of the East&#8217;, of happenings in Israel being a thorn in the side of the world, of the earth growing weary of the burden of humanity, of a 10 &#8217;state&#8217; empire and a lot more but it also seems to say that in the times right before the end of this world system we know and love (ha ha) there will still exist a fairly cohesive social structure, one sufficiently functional as to allow the continued operation of armies and mass-communication systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all just primates flinging feces at each other. Midway through the last century, though, the game changed. The apes got a hold of nuclear weapons. Same ape consciousness + nuclear weapons.

The fact that decades have passed without a wholesale extermination of the human species---in a nuclear conflagration---seems like a complete miracle to me. If the mushroom clouds started rising into the sky tomorrow, all I&#039;d have to say is, &quot;Ahh, humans just doing what they do best.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all just primates flinging feces at each other. Midway through the last century, though, the game changed. The apes got a hold of nuclear weapons. Same ape consciousness + nuclear weapons.</p>
<p>The fact that decades have passed without a wholesale extermination of the human species&#8212;in a nuclear conflagration&#8212;seems like a complete miracle to me. If the mushroom clouds started rising into the sky tomorrow, all I&#8217;d have to say is, &#8220;Ahh, humans just doing what they do best.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cherenkov</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Cherenkov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main problem is one of see-sawing, push-me pull-me choices. If we continue to produce enough energy to grow the population, that growth will come at the cost of increasing the amount of carbon in the air -- death by global warming. If we see a crash in petroleum, and if coal, nukes, and et al alternatives fail to step in quickly enough, then it&#039;s death by starvation and resource wars. If we keep a middling path, then global warming is slightly mitigated, population continues to grow and when the tipping point comes, it comes with even greater numbers of hapless humans tossed on the festering heap of our egotistical techno-fetish. 

We humans have a real urgent desire to keeping clapping as hard as we can in order keep the techno-fairy alive. But physics doesn&#039;t give a shyte. The dieoff is coming and it is coming hard. No, you cannot stop it. That is the number one delusion. It may be delayed slightly, it may get foisted onto other people -- i.e. we go into other oil producing countries, take their oil, then go into other populous countries and kill off their populations thus removing competitors from the equation. Bird flu up-engineered at Los Alamos or Fort Detrick anyone? The option of finding the fantasy tech solution is simply not available except through scam artists and people who have no clue about physics.

So, while we love to believe in zero point energy fantasies and turkey gut recycling, the truth is we live within the playing field of physics and we cannot change the rules. Sorry. This energy fiesta is coming to an end no matter how much we blog and blab.

Yeah some will survive longer than others. Ultimately, we are all going to die one way or another. So, if you believe that we will escape our entropy fate, then I have bridge in Brooklyn I&#039;d like to sell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem is one of see-sawing, push-me pull-me choices. If we continue to produce enough energy to grow the population, that growth will come at the cost of increasing the amount of carbon in the air &#8212; death by global warming. If we see a crash in petroleum, and if coal, nukes, and et al alternatives fail to step in quickly enough, then it&#8217;s death by starvation and resource wars. If we keep a middling path, then global warming is slightly mitigated, population continues to grow and when the tipping point comes, it comes with even greater numbers of hapless humans tossed on the festering heap of our egotistical techno-fetish. </p>
<p>We humans have a real urgent desire to keeping clapping as hard as we can in order keep the techno-fairy alive. But physics doesn&#8217;t give a shyte. The dieoff is coming and it is coming hard. No, you cannot stop it. That is the number one delusion. It may be delayed slightly, it may get foisted onto other people &#8212; i.e. we go into other oil producing countries, take their oil, then go into other populous countries and kill off their populations thus removing competitors from the equation. Bird flu up-engineered at Los Alamos or Fort Detrick anyone? The option of finding the fantasy tech solution is simply not available except through scam artists and people who have no clue about physics.</p>
<p>So, while we love to believe in zero point energy fantasies and turkey gut recycling, the truth is we live within the playing field of physics and we cannot change the rules. Sorry. This energy fiesta is coming to an end no matter how much we blog and blab.</p>
<p>Yeah some will survive longer than others. Ultimately, we are all going to die one way or another. So, if you believe that we will escape our entropy fate, then I have bridge in Brooklyn I&#8217;d like to sell you.</p>
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		<title>By: JurisDoctorOfDoom</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>JurisDoctorOfDoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fallout,

Oops, should have read your post first before chiming in with my feces analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fallout,</p>
<p>Oops, should have read your post first before chiming in with my feces analogy.</p>
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		<title>By: JurisDoctorOfDoom</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-423</link>
		<dc:creator>JurisDoctorOfDoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

Let&#039;s pretend you&#039;re in the midst of famine. Eating your shit (waste) won&#039;t get you too far. Same thinking in regards to thermal depolymerization. Most of the crap that goes in came from oil in the first place. Second law of thermodynamics tells us your always going to get less out then you put in.

Here is the real problem: we as humans like to reproduce. Heck we don&#039;t just like, we freakin&#039; love it, the whold process as screwed up as it can be from courtship to conception to child rearing, we really enjoy it! In the context of a finite planet you&#039;re eventually going to have more people then resources, no matter how many wind turbines and other contraptions you build. then comes the resource wars . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s pretend you&#8217;re in the midst of famine. Eating your shit (waste) won&#8217;t get you too far. Same thinking in regards to thermal depolymerization. Most of the crap that goes in came from oil in the first place. Second law of thermodynamics tells us your always going to get less out then you put in.</p>
<p>Here is the real problem: we as humans like to reproduce. Heck we don&#8217;t just like, we freakin&#8217; love it, the whold process as screwed up as it can be from courtship to conception to child rearing, we really enjoy it! In the context of a finite planet you&#8217;re eventually going to have more people then resources, no matter how many wind turbines and other contraptions you build. then comes the resource wars . . .</p>
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		<title>By: fallout</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>fallout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, one of the very best websites for serious Peak Oil technical discussion:
[url=http://www.theoildrum.com/]The Oil Drum[/url]
My other favorite is [url=http://energybulletin.net/index.php]The Energy Bulletin[/url], more of a clearinghouse of very good articles than discussion board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, one of the very best websites for serious Peak Oil technical discussion:<br />
[url=http://www.theoildrum.com/]The Oil Drum[/url]<br />
My other favorite is [url=http://energybulletin.net/index.php]The Energy Bulletin[/url], more of a clearinghouse of very good articles than discussion board.</p>
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		<title>By: fallout</title>
		<link>http://cryptogon.com/?p=117&#038;cpage=1#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator>fallout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Changing World Technology, the company that solicited and received a massive US subsidy/grant/investment to build a working thermal depolymerization process facility (later called thermal conversion, once they found they couldn&#039;t actually produce much in terms of polymers), which was going to turn all of our garbage into cheap fuel, has closed its US operation and relocated to Europe (where higher subsidies and tipping costs may enable them to at least break even. It was unable to deliver on promises, and even with subsidies could not operate without a loss. 
Their estimated costs for economic viability? Oil  at just $15 a barrel. Their actual costs once they were producing commercial quantities? $80+/bbl. That is unfortunately how most of these things work out in actual practice. Like a man who is starving putting his own feces into machine that makes it consumable. And at a very high cost.
Way too much head in the clouds, pie in the sky, and not nearly enough actual feasibility or economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Changing World Technology, the company that solicited and received a massive US subsidy/grant/investment to build a working thermal depolymerization process facility (later called thermal conversion, once they found they couldn&#8217;t actually produce much in terms of polymers), which was going to turn all of our garbage into cheap fuel, has closed its US operation and relocated to Europe (where higher subsidies and tipping costs may enable them to at least break even. It was unable to deliver on promises, and even with subsidies could not operate without a loss.<br />
Their estimated costs for economic viability? Oil  at just $15 a barrel. Their actual costs once they were producing commercial quantities? $80+/bbl. That is unfortunately how most of these things work out in actual practice. Like a man who is starving putting his own feces into machine that makes it consumable. And at a very high cost.<br />
Way too much head in the clouds, pie in the sky, and not nearly enough actual feasibility or economics.</p>
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