http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/090805A.shtml

http://www.prosefights.org/nml.....htm#carter

and Feehan

http://www.prosefights.org/nml.....htm#feehan

How recent does it have to be before you consign into ancient hsiotry. I mentioned the current war in Iraq AND Hurricane Katrina. Here’s a link for the stuff that happened in New Orleans that the mainstream media didn’t tell you about http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/090805A.shtml.

I repeat: I’m not saying that Kevin’s scenario won’t happen. I’m saying both Chaos AND Community will happen.

Personally, I’m planning on optimising the chances of the second scenario occurring.

The IRA murdered several farmers (who often but not always also happened to be part-time policemen / soldiers) in remote parts of Northern Ireland on their farms; the farmers’ wives used to stand guard with shotguns while their husbands worked the fields, but it was little deterrant to the IRA when once they had targetted a farmer for elimination.

The same applies in Sierra Leone to this day. You also see this situation playing out in South Africa presently, isolated farms and homesteads are being targeted.
http://www.iss.co.za/PUBS/OTHE...../Chap4.pdf

Even in first world countries (UK) in non-crisis situations , you see the same:
Rural crime breeds ’siege mentality’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/815328.stm

Isolated farm = soft target

If dialogue were established in order to set up and assist in a formal, informed government and populace, [and that open transparency is the vital element to ensure that all know of developments] then the most modern of Infrastructures could be built for the Mutual Benefit of All …. with Natural Resources providing for Needs rather than appears to be the case in Iraq and Afghanistan being exported and/or purloined for excessive Profit elsewhere …. in exchange for paper money, easily printed to appear worth billions but rather worthless with nothing to spend it on with no Infrastructure Build. What a Scam and it has been going on for decades if not half a century if not even longer than that.

How much does oil cost at source ie how much goes into a oil nations exchequer just for being able to extract it and take it away for refinement into its many products. Whenever one considers the crude price with all of the costs for transport and refinement and labour and depreciation and and and ..the figures do not stand up. So what is going on if not a global scam?

As for the so-called “core” of the regime, it will become increasingly mechanized, regulated, monitored, taxed, squeezed, etc. The standard of living will go down; people will work more for less, the justification being a “scarcity.” You may even see rationing like during WWII. People could be ordered to grow Victory gardens again.

I think we will probably see “clean” “green” fascism; but our resource consumption will still be relatively high.

In a real fuel-scarcity situation, there would probably be restrictions on who or what could travel, with priorities being placed on transportation of food, water, and other necessities. The closer one gets to the center of an Empire, the more stability there has to be to makes things easy for the Praetorian guard. Anarchy in the U.S.A. or in Europe would almost certainly be bad for Them.

Eurasia, the Middle East, and especially Africa; that’s a different story.

But, it’s never wise to make predictions; especially about the future.

And surely the answer is very simple [always a good idea so that society can care for all, from the very brightest, gifted wit right down to the slowest useful idiot...... although I'm sure that there will be voices suggesting that it is not so simple, which of course creates doubt and division and a drain on resolve ... and the appearance of the lesser useless idiot. But then again, education or rather the lack of education is a major factor in all Society breakdowns in that there is no knowledge shared that we have been down these roads many times before with WW1 and WW2 being the most recent end game plays. There is nothing new in Conflict for it is Man's folly and the Devil's curse to recycle its pain. A path well trod by the Intellectually Challenged too.

If we consider that the picture which is being painted in this thread is leading to the sort of meltdown as would result in a WW3 scenario, then it would be logical to consider what was done after the last conflict, WW2, and to follow its same steps in a modern idiom for it rebuilt war torn nations and economies and made them powerhouses of development.

Of course, the first thing that had to happen was a simple agreement to stop fighting each other.... which suggests that the madness causing the evil/the evil causing the madness that is deadly conflict, resides in those pushing its poison.

And the junk it is pushing is aided and abetted by Media, which Intelligence, if it got its IT Act together, could harness to produce with Beta Programming and Programs of Edutainment, a Global ARGonaut Initiative [Alternate Reality Game] previewing Present day Plans and Projects which are Real Time Future Presentations for Civil Comment/Input/Participation.

And with Advanced Artificial Intelligence Concepts in Computer Programming, can the Internet and Communications InterNetworking, Share the Visions and Initiatives and make them Real.

And all that has to be done, is that you pay/give /credit such Programmers with nothing more than printed paper….. for that appears to be the preferred method of Control in Society for without it, nothing involving others can be done.

It does make one wonder at the wisdom of those who would hoard it in vaults rather than use it. After all, it isn’t really theirs to keep, is it, and when it is so easy just to print it and distribute it to energise the Creation of the Future Reality [news of such schemes, abused in Iraq, abound] why give the impression that one needs to collect it to have any worth.

.. “the man who dies thus rich dies disgraced.” …Andrew Carnegie, which has a perfect companion in “For the love of money is the root of all evil”

Vroom, vroom? … http://www.theregister.co.uk/2.....ana_oscon/